[ginkgo]

I don't know if anyone else has posted this but I just heard about it. Here's a link to the text of the Joint Combat Pistol (JCP). The US Special Operations Command [USSOCOM] issued a solicitation in August 2005 to obtain commercially available non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45 (ACP).

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/jcp.htm

 

[Shipwreck]

I have read on other sites that they have since changed their mind - there will not be a joint combat pistol - There will still be an order of guns, and that is up in the air - but they won't be replacing all those Beretta M9s for a while, afterall. So, supposedly, the contract will be for a lot less guns.

I hope HK gets it w/ their HK45, though.

 

[-gunut-]

I hope HK gets it w/ their HK45, though.

I bet you anything that it will! :-D

 

[Guest]

I hope the military sticks with 9mm instead of .45s. 9mm have higher velocity and hit a target quicker than a .45s cheap 750 FPS muzzle velocity. :roll:

 

[Gary_P]

I hope the military sticks with 9mm instead of .45s. 9mm have higher velocity and hit a target quicker than a .45s cheap 750 FPS muzzle velocity. :roll:

9mm does not have the stopping power the .45 acp does

 

[Shipwreck]

9mm does not have the stopping power the .45 acp does

El correcto :-D

 

[Method]

I hope the military sticks with 9mm instead of .45s. 9mm have higher velocity and hit a target quicker than a .45s cheap 750 FPS muzzle velocity. :roll:

Seems to me that the "cheap" .45 with its 750fps velocity is more than sufficient.

 

[Shipwreck]

Remember, the military uses FMJ, not hollow points. And, the velocity of an avg .45 ACP is higher than you listed - I checked, and it averages 830-850 fps. So, .45 is better than 9mm when used in FMJ.

I prefer the 45 myself, I just have all 9mms because of the ammo cost, and I am satisfied w/ the 9mm.

 

[2400]

Seems to me that the "cheap" .45 with its 750fps velocity is more than sufficient.

+1
The 1911 has worked well for 2 World Wars and many "Police Actions" not to mention today with the Specops guys.

 

[-gunut-]

.45 Ball Vs. 9mm ball = .45 wins

.45 Ball vs. 9mm JHP= 9mm wins

.45JHP Vs. 9mm JHP = .45 wins (But 9 will still do the job)

:-D
:-D
:-D
:-D

 

[Gary_P]

.45 Ball Vs. 9mm ball = .45 wins

.45 Ball vs. 9mm JHP= 9mm wins

.45JHP Vs. 9mm JHP = .45 wins (But 9 will still do the job)

:-D
:-D
:-D
:-D

shot placement trumps all equations.......

Gary

 

[-gunut-]

.45 Ball Vs. 9mm ball = .45 wins

.45 Ball vs. 9mm JHP= 9mm wins

.45JHP Vs. 9mm JHP = .45 wins (But 9 will still do the job)

:-D
:-D
:-D
:-D

shot placement trumps all equations.......

Gary

Tiz very true :shock:

 

[DennyCrane]

The real question is what is best when you run outta ammo and have to throw the gun at someone?

A 45 is generally heavier: hence - it makes a better rock to throw than a 9mm :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Vom Kriege]

.45 Ball Vs. 9mm ball = .45 wins

.45 Ball vs. 9mm JHP= 9mm wins

.45JHP Vs. 9mm JHP = .45 wins (But 9 will still do the job)

:-D
:-D
:-D
:-D

shot placement trumps all equations.......

Gary

Exactly!!

 

[Guest]

If I was a soldier I would much rather have a sidearm that holds 15 in the mag rather than the 1911 which is only 7.

 

[Alaskan_Viking]

If I was a soldier I would much rather have a sidearm that holds 15 in the mag rather than the 1911 which is only 7.

First: it's 7 + 1 in the chamber, and they have MAGs that hold 8, so 8 + 1 :roll:

Second: If I was a soldier I would want a gun that drops my enemy in one hit, and not 40! :x

Third: My first post! Hello from Alaska! YEEHAAA!!! :twisted:

 

[Guest]

The 1911 did pretty damn well in 2 world wars. My grandfather carried a Colt 1911 in WWII. Everyone that I personally know who are in the military prefer the .45acp. Especially special ops...

 

[Gary_P]

If I had a choice of caliber to carry in combat, it would be the 5.7 From FN

 

[Charlie]

I'll take either (prefer .45) as long as all the enemy has .22 shorts :-D :-D :-D

 

[Shipwreck]

I bet you anything that it will! :-D

See, all the S&W guys on that forum are betting on the .45 version of the M&P.

We'll have to see. But, that HK 45 looks pretty sweet - That might be the gun that gets me back into 45s... We'll see next year...