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Well, another school shooting has once again brought out the “ban-guns-now” crowd to scream that we must give up our firearms in order to save even one child. But are firearms really the problem, or are they merely a tool of something far more sinister and evil? How can we stop this madness?

The more immediate answer, or fix if you will, to mass shootings in schools is really quite simple and inexpensive. Arm all school personnel who are willing to be armed, train them in defensive and offensive tactics, and keep them up to date with this training. Engage retired folks in the area who are willing and physically able to volunteer a few hours a day, on assigned days, to be armed and in and around the schools as first responders to an attack. All of these people, school personnel and the retired volunteers, must pass a more extensive background check first and attend seminars/courses in the use of deadly force in confined spaces/areas. Finally, advertise the fact that schools in participating counties will be adopting this program for the protection of the student population and school employees.

As for the retired volunteer people, I would bet it would not be all that difficult to find folks willing to do this a couple of times a day for a few hours at a time. I know I would be up for this and I'm pretty good with a handgun, plus I still have rather quick reactions and can move very quickly for my age. Still the “no guns in schools for any reason” crowd fights this genuine common sense approach because it means using firearms to repel evil. Their argument is that there are too many guns in the hands of the public and that they are so much easier to get in modern America and that is the reason for these mass shootings. But is this really true? No, it is not true. Let’s take a look at how things were, say, 70 years ago.

In the years of my youth, the later 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s (I was born in January 1946), guns were quite common and very easy to buy. You could find them in drug stores, gas stations, hardware stores, and department stores. No 4473 form to fill out, or its state equivalent, no background check was required; basically as easy as buying a pack of chewing gum. In the decade of 1940 there was one school shooting. In the twenty years of the 1950’s and the 1960’s there were zero school shootings and in the 1970’s, there was one. So why the increase in these horrific crimes? One might think that there would have been a rash of these killings in the 1950’s since firearms were so easy to obtain back then and very prevalent in American homes, but that is not the case.

In the 1940’s and 1950’s, social controls were more natural. Kids didn’t dare misbehave in school because corporal punishment was common in the form of spanking and being shamed (standing in a corner with one’s face against a wall). But something happened, discipline and punishment were weakened until they were removed entirely, leaving kids to do as they saw fit without fear of retribution. Even parents were chastised and shamed if they raised a hand, or a belt, to their kids. Without the fear of punishment, kids believed they could do as they pretty much pleased.

Then came 1962 and the Engel v Vitale case against prayer in school, which was deemed to violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment, which it most certainly does not. There is nothing, as in nothing, in any part of our three founding documents that could remotely be taken to ban prayer in school or public places such as firehouses, etc. I have a standing offer of $100 to anyone who can show me different. The text of the establishment clause is, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”. And congress never has made such a law.

Once natural controls were diminished to the point of virtually disappearing, artificial controls moved in to fill the void. Enter gun control laws and gun free zone laws and punishment for school kids who shaped their hands like guns and made a shooting sound as they played in school yards. Even chewing a Pop Tart into the rough shape of a gun was paramount to suspension. Craziness had replaced common sense once again.

So we listen to politicians crying for so-called “assault weapons bans” and bans on “high capacity magazines”. When I hear these radical chants I know I am listening to not only someone who knows next to nothing about firearms but worse, a fool who doesn’t have a clue of the danger laying in wait should our most basic and fundamental right be picked apart, piece by piece until it ceases to exist.

Essentially, we as a nation have lost our national character, our national soul. That which has kept us together as a people, the glue of our society, has been cast aside and replaced by a “do anything you want” belief without fear of being punished for our actions. The age-old concept of being held responsible for what we do has gone by the wayside in favor of claims of victimhood aided by the Balkanization of our population. Many Americans no longer like to call themselves an American citizen but rather a citizen of the world. What does one expect to happen when these people are so willing to give up that which so many have given up all of their tomorrows that we might have today? We have lost our national soul and it is going to take a lot of effort to get it back.
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Trey Gowdy was just on FOX News and basically said the same thing. Our nation has lost it's soul. He was obviously very upset and he made it clear.

He's not convinced that SRO's are the answer. Maybe a part of the answer, but mental health issues in our nation need to be addressed, as it's being ignored for the most part.

Yes, we have a monumental problem going on, and it happens time after time.
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I saw Trey's segment while the wife and I were having lunch. I would take issue with a few things he said, I am never agreeable to surrendering any of my rights, but overall he was good to go. FWIW, I inherently do not like Red Flag laws as I see them violations of several of my rights outlined in our Bill of Rights.
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Well, another school shooting has once again brought out the “ban-guns-now” crowd to scream that we must give up our firearms in order to save even one child. But are firearms really the problem, or are they merely a tool of something far more sinister and evil? How can we stop this madness?

The more immediate answer, or fix if you will, to mass shootings in schools is really quite simple and inexpensive. Arm all school personnel who are willing to be armed, train them in defensive and offensive tactics, and keep them up to date with this training. Engage retired folks in the area who are willing and physically able to volunteer a few hours a day, on assigned days, to be armed and in and around the schools as first responders to an attack. All of these people, school personnel and the retired volunteers, must pass a more extensive background check first and attend seminars/courses in the use of deadly force in confined spaces/areas. Finally, advertise the fact that schools in participating counties will be adopting this program for the protection of the student population and school employees.

As for the retired volunteer people, I would bet it would not be all that difficult to find folks willing to do this a couple of times a day for a few hours at a time. I know I would be up for this and I'm pretty good with a handgun, plus I still have rather quick reactions and can move very quickly for my age. Still the “no guns in schools for any reason” crowd fights this genuine common sense approach because it means using firearms to repel evil. Their argument is that there are too many guns in the hands of the public and that they are so much easier to get in modern America and that is the reason for these mass shootings. But is this really true? No, it is not true. Let’s take a look at how things were, say, 70 years ago.

In the years of my youth, the later 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s (I was born in January 1946), guns were quite common and very easy to buy. You could find them in drug stores, gas stations, hardware stores, and department stores. No 4473 form to fill out, or its state equivalent, no background check was required; basically as easy as buying a pack of chewing gum. In the decade of 1940 there was one school shooting. In the twenty years of the 1950’s and the 1960’s there were zero school shootings and in the 1970’s, there was one. So why the increase in these horrific crimes? One might think that there would have been a rash of these killings in the 1950’s since firearms were so easy to obtain back then and very prevalent in American homes, but that is not the case.

In the 1940’s and 1950’s, social controls were more natural. Kids didn’t dare misbehave in school because corporal punishment was common in the form of spanking and being shamed (standing in a corner with one’s face against a wall). But something happened, discipline and punishment were weakened until they were removed entirely, leaving kids to do as they saw fit without fear of retribution. Even parents were chastised and shamed if they raised a hand, or a belt, to their kids. Without the fear of punishment, kids believed they could do as they pretty much pleased.

Then came 1962 and the Engel v Vitale case against prayer in school, which was deemed to violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment, which it most certainly does not. There is nothing, as in nothing, in any part of our three founding documents that could remotely be taken to ban prayer in school or public places such as firehouses, etc. I have a standing offer of $100 to anyone who can show me different. The text of the establishment clause is, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”. And congress never has made such a law.

Once natural controls were diminished to the point of virtually disappearing, artificial controls moved in to fill the void. Enter gun control laws and gun free zone laws and punishment for school kids who shaped their hands like guns and made a shooting sound as they played in school yards. Even chewing a Pop Tart into the rough shape of a gun was paramount to suspension. Craziness had replaced common sense once again.

So we listen to politicians crying for so-called “assault weapons bans” and bans on “high capacity magazines”. When I hear these radical chants I know I am listening to not only someone who knows next to nothing about firearms but worse, a fool who doesn’t have a clue of the danger laying in wait should our most basic and fundamental right be picked apart, piece by piece until it ceases to exist.

Essentially, we as a nation have lost our national character, our national soul. That which has kept us together as a people, the glue of our society, has been cast aside and replaced by a “do anything you want” belief without fear of being punished for our actions. The age-old concept of being held responsible for what we do has gone by the wayside in favor of claims of victimhood aided by the Balkanization of our population. Many Americans no longer like to call themselves an American citizen but rather a citizen of the world. What does one expect to happen when these people are so willing to give up that which so many have given up all of their tomorrows that we might have today? We have lost our national soul and it is going to take a lot of effort to get it back.
Great post SB!!!

I put a lot of the blame on the media who's agenda is to abolish the 2nd Amendment and the civilian possession of firearms. It seems that ever since Columbine mass shootings have increased exponentially. The end justifies the means with these people. The more shootings there are the more demands and support for gun control up to and including confiscation.

With their non stop coverage they've inspired every deranged individual with suicidal tendencies that has a beef somewhere to just go out in a blaze of glory. By now it's been drilled into their f'n heads. They'll be posthumously famous, got even with those of whom they believed oppressed them and got their message across. Indeed you are correct this shit was not taking place when gun laws were more lenient. Even when there were deranged individuals with suicidal tendencies back then too. TV was in its infancy with few channels and there was no internet either to capitalize on these events like there is today.

Realistically one's chances of being a victim of a mass shooting are probably less than being struck by lightning. Yet the media has done its best to scare the living hell out of people as they go about their daily business. Scared people make irrational decisions in order to feel safe. Establishing gun free zones is just one of them. The other is electing politicians who only care about absolute power and control to carry out those decisions.

"Put another way, being the victim of a mass shooting is just about as unlikely as being struck by lightning, which occurred at a rate of 0.035 per 100,000 people in 2016.
Over the course of your life, you’re far more likely to die in a car crash, in a fire or by choking on food." Have we become too paranoid about mass shootings?
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Great post SB!!!

I put a lot of the blame on the media who's agenda is to abolish the 2nd Amendment and the civilian possession of firearms. It seems that ever since Columbine mass shootings have increased exponentially. The end justifies the means with these people. The more shootings there are the more demands and support for gun control up to and including confiscation.

With their non stop coverage they've inspired every deranged individual with suicidal tendencies that has a beef somewhere to just go out in a blaze of glory. By now it's been drilled into their f'n heads. They'll be posthumously famous, got even with those of whom they believed oppressed them and got their message across. Indeed you are correct this shit was not taking place when gun laws were more lenient. Even when there were deranged individuals with suicidal tendencies back then too. TV was in its infancy with few channels and there was no internet either to capitalize on these events like there is today.

Realistically one's chances of being a victim of a mass shooting are probably less than being struck by lightning. Yet the media has done its best to scare the living hell out of people as they go about their daily business. Scared people make irrational decisions in order to feel safe. Establishing gun free zones is just one of them. The other is electing politicians who only care about absolute power and control to carry out those decisions.

"Put another way, being the victim of a mass shooting is just about as unlikely as being struck by lightning, which occurred at a rate of 0.035 per 100,000 people in 2016.
Over the course of your life, you’re far more likely to die in a car crash, in a fire or by choking on food." Have we become too paranoid about mass shootings?
Thank you and your post is spot on. The thing I like tell people who were either born within the past 50 years or are older but uninformed is the fact that firearms were so much easier to buy back in when I was a kid and even into the later 60's. They don't know nor do they believe this. I bought my first firearm on April 5, 1968, the day after MLK was murdered. No background check, no forms to fill out. All I did was pay $78 plus tax for my new Ruger Super Single Six Convertible, take my purchase and go home.
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In addition, the 1960s was the beginning of massive welfare programs. Now we have at least three-four generations or more of people who never worked, yet get paid for not working.

I'm for social programs that keep certain people fed. I'm not for feeding people that won't work. Let them work or let them starve.
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The destruction of the Republic Has been a goal of the progressive movement since 1890 and has slowly been advancing their agenda ever since. Wilson, T. Roosevelt, F.D.R. L.B. Johnson. made big advances. It was the 1960 decade was the set up for the huge advances of the 1970's to today. The more society is out of control, the more the masses want it taken care of for them which gives the government more control and less liberty for the people.
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Well, another school shooting has once again brought out the “ban-guns-now” crowd to scream that we must give up our firearms in order to save even one child. But are firearms really the problem, or are they merely a tool of something far more sinister and evil? How can we stop this madness?

The more immediate answer, or fix if you will, to mass shootings in schools is really quite simple and inexpensive. Arm all school personnel who are willing to be armed, train them in defensive and offensive tactics, and keep them up to date with this training. Engage retired folks in the area who are willing and physically able to volunteer a few hours a day, on assigned days, to be armed and in and around the schools as first responders to an attack. All of these people, school personnel and the retired volunteers, must pass a more extensive background check first and attend seminars/courses in the use of deadly force in confined spaces/areas. Finally, advertise the fact that schools in participating counties will be adopting this program for the protection of the student population and school employees.
Agree 100%.
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Couple things I wanna address. Listen no one knows me but I was subject to a rather rough upbringing. My mother shoulda been in jail and today prob would be. I don’t condone hitting kids. Punishment can be doled out many other ways. Hitting or backhanding means you’re not inventive enough, ie smart enough. I’ve never touched my kids and they don’t even barely get out of line. Nuff said and excuse my diversion.
I wonder if the people doing school shootings
A- Have both parents in the home.
B-If they’re involved, especially the dad. Involved as in being a man and steering his kid right.
Seems the kids, grow into adults, don’t understand consequences or consider what they are doing. Haven't been taught that. Now about the breakdown of society part. Gotta start somewhere. I believe it’s at home. I always say go to a dog park. Look at all the dogs don’t listen, fight, scrap, whatever. See who owns them. That person has kids the same way. It’s the parents and liberal mindset that causes this
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I’ll also add the morons screaming for gun control are exactly the ones shouldn’t be raising kids. Think about something. It’s never the persons fault. It’s the inanimate guns. Someone else to blame.
My uncle married this woman. Nice lady but an enabler. The kids were derelicts. Things went on woulda never happened in my house. Drive by shootings at the house, robbing my uncle, etc
I stayed there one weekend and in front of the boys was told to sleep in my jeans with my wallet in them or boys would steal it. I looked at the boys and assured my uncle if my F’n wallet was touched I’d not need proof who did it. The boys couldn’t hide forever after and I’d be sure to make them more than pay. Mom squirmed as I talked. My stuff was never touched.
So this woman always makes excuses for the kids. Never their fault. One kid finally OD’d and killed himself. It’s her fault imo. The other was working w my cousin. Doing work in a police station. Kid found guns in lockers and tried smuggling them out. He was arrested and jailed. What did mom say? It’s the police fault. They shoulda had the guns locked up. Hmmmm interesting. Same mindset I bet as many of the mass shooters moms. Enabling excuse makers. This is the problem
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Well, another school shooting has once again brought out the “ban-guns-now” crowd to scream that we must give up our firearms in order to save even one child. But are firearms really the problem, or are they merely a tool of something far more sinister and evil? How can we stop this madness?

The more immediate answer, or fix if you will, to mass shootings in schools is really quite simple and inexpensive. Arm all school personnel who are willing to be armed, train them in defensive and offensive tactics, and keep them up to date with this training. Engage retired folks in the area who are willing and physically able to volunteer a few hours a day, on assigned days, to be armed and in and around the schools as first responders to an attack. All of these people, school personnel and the retired volunteers, must pass a more extensive background check first and attend seminars/courses in the use of deadly force in confined spaces/areas. Finally, advertise the fact that schools in participating counties will be adopting this program for the protection of the student population and school employees.

As for the retired volunteer people, I would bet it would not be all that difficult to find folks willing to do this a couple of times a day for a few hours at a time. I know I would be up for this and I'm pretty good with a handgun, plus I still have rather quick reactions and can move very quickly for my age. Still the “no guns in schools for any reason” crowd fights this genuine common sense approach because it means using firearms to repel evil. Their argument is that there are too many guns in the hands of the public and that they are so much easier to get in modern America and that is the reason for these mass shootings. But is this really true? No, it is not true. Let’s take a look at how things were, say, 70 years ago.

In the years of my youth, the later 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s (I was born in January 1946), guns were quite common and very easy to buy. You could find them in drug stores, gas stations, hardware stores, and department stores. No 4473 form to fill out, or its state equivalent, no background check was required; basically as easy as buying a pack of chewing gum. In the decade of 1940 there was one school shooting. In the twenty years of the 1950’s and the 1960’s there were zero school shootings and in the 1970’s, there was one. So why the increase in these horrific crimes? One might think that there would have been a rash of these killings in the 1950’s since firearms were so easy to obtain back then and very prevalent in American homes, but that is not the case.

In the 1940’s and 1950’s, social controls were more natural. Kids didn’t dare misbehave in school because corporal punishment was common in the form of spanking and being shamed (standing in a corner with one’s face against a wall). But something happened, discipline and punishment were weakened until they were removed entirely, leaving kids to do as they saw fit without fear of retribution. Even parents were chastised and shamed if they raised a hand, or a belt, to their kids. Without the fear of punishment, kids believed they could do as they pretty much pleased.

Then came 1962 and the Engel v Vitale case against prayer in school, which was deemed to violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment, which it most certainly does not. There is nothing, as in nothing, in any part of our three founding documents that could remotely be taken to ban prayer in school or public places such as firehouses, etc. I have a standing offer of $100 to anyone who can show me different. The text of the establishment clause is, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”. And congress never has made such a law.

Once natural controls were diminished to the point of virtually disappearing, artificial controls moved in to fill the void. Enter gun control laws and gun free zone laws and punishment for school kids who shaped their hands like guns and made a shooting sound as they played in school yards. Even chewing a Pop Tart into the rough shape of a gun was paramount to suspension. Craziness had replaced common sense once again.

So we listen to politicians crying for so-called “assault weapons bans” and bans on “high capacity magazines”. When I hear these radical chants I know I am listening to not only someone who knows next to nothing about firearms but worse, a fool who doesn’t have a clue of the danger laying in wait should our most basic and fundamental right be picked apart, piece by piece until it ceases to exist.

Essentially, we as a nation have lost our national character, our national soul. That which has kept us together as a people, the glue of our society, has been cast aside and replaced by a “do anything you want” belief without fear of being punished for our actions. The age-old concept of being held responsible for what we do has gone by the wayside in favor of claims of victimhood aided by the Balkanization of our population. Many Americans no longer like to call themselves an American citizen but rather a citizen of the world. What does one expect to happen when these people are so willing to give up that which so many have given up all of their tomorrows that we might have today? We have lost our national soul and it is going to take a lot of effort to get it back.
I really wish they would look for a solution instead of constantly blaming the gun. Wouldn't it be smarter to hire Veterans to guard the schools. I'm sure they would be honored to do so and we know they would have the security of our kids in their best interest.
I'm so tired of hearing these Liberals attack the 2nd Amendment and threaten to make it harder for good people to own guns. There is NO LAW out there that would prevent any Mass Shooting today, yesterday or tomorrow.
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The L.B.J great society welfare system rules was a large factor in the break down in society. Toei the welfare check and food supplements there could not be a man living in the house. That drove many men out of the house so the benifits could be gotten by the mother and children.
I really wish they would look for a solution instead of constantly blaming the gun. Wouldn't it be smarter to hire Veterans to guard the schools. I'm sure they would be honored to do so and we know they would have the security of our kids in their best interest.
I'm so tired of hearing these Liberals attack the 2nd Amendment and threaten to make it harder for good people to own guns. There is NO LAW out there that would prevent any Mass Shooting today, yesterday or tomorrow.
Brandon could have easily fix some of these issues by hiring armed security personal in the schools that need it instead of hiring armed IRS agents.
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Brandon could have easily fix some of these issues by hiring armed security personal in the schools that need it instead of hiring armed IRS agents.
He is the Charley McCarthy of the progressive movement, we just have to figure out whose lap the dummy is sitting on.
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Do you have any likely suckass suspects?
I do.
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