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What do you Kel-Tec owners think of this.
Kel-Tec PMR-30 pistol
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pmr-30-pistol/



Kel-Tech has developed a new pistol which chambers the .22 Magnum (WMR) rimfire cartridge. The small size of the .22 WMR has allowed Kel-Tec to squeeze 30 rounds into the double-stacked magazine (a new original design), yet maintain a comfortable grip size.

The PMR-30 has a unique hybrid blow back / locked breech recoil system. In order to accommodate a wide range of ammunition, the pistol automatically adjusts between locked breach and blowback based on internal pressure. I look forward to seeing how this system works.

One problem with the .22 Magnum is that because it was designed as a rifle cartridge, the powder load is slow burning. This maintains high pressure in the barrel for a longer period of time. This high pressure can prevent extraction during recoil because the gas pushes out against the brass and presses it into the chamber wall. Shooting Log report that the PMR-30 has a fluted chamber to prevent this type of extraction problem. The gas enters the flutes and counterbalances the pressure against the case wall and also acts as a lubricant.1

The PM-30's frame is aluminum. The slide and barrel are steel. Interestingly, the barrel is fluted.

Regarding the .22 Magnum performance compared to the FN 5.7x28mm round, read this article.

Specifications
Caliber .22 Magnum (.22WMR)
Barrel length 4.3"
Slide and Barrel 4140 Steel
Frame 7075 Aluminum
Magazine capacity 30 rounds
Trigger pull 3.5 to 5 lbs
Weight (no mag) 13.6 oz.
Length 7.9"
Height 5.8"
Grip Width 1.1"
Muzzle Velocity (40 gr) 1230 fps
Expected Availability Quarter 2, 2010
MSRP (Price) $415

Oleg Volk has taken some photos of the pistol...







UPDATE: Bill pointed out that the Grendel P30, which was manufactured in the early 90s, was designed by George Kellgren, the founder and chief designer at Kel-Tec. I suppose the PMR-30 is an improved P-30.
 

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Personally I have never had an interest in KT pistols. Can't shoot the small ones for squat.
But this pistol has my attention. Yah it's only a 22magnum but 30 rounds in 1 magazine is an impressive number.
I have many other pistols I feel I need to purchase before this, but I know this gun will be on my buy list.
 

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Fugly, but I'd like to try one out. Impressive concept too. I would like to handle one and see how the locked breech/blowback mechanism operates. I always enjoy new ways to make a firearm function.
 

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you dont hear much about trouble from the 32acp but you do with the 3AT
so the pressures from a 22mag should be managable for the materials they use
30 rounds of 22mag in one magazine inside the grip - AWESOME

most say don't use a 22lr for self defense in the home but 30 rounds of 22mag --- hmmmmmmmm
 

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A lot of people crap on the 22 caliber. But how many people are going to volunteer to be used as a target for a 22lr. Pistol or long gun.
22mag gives a little more punch and 30 rounds is nothing to sneeze at.
Imagen being stabbed with a number 2 phillips head screw driver aprox 12 inches long, 30 times at twice the speed of sound.
I think that would be close to what it would be like to have one of these unloaded on a person.
Not fun.
 

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i can't wait to get a pmr 30
 

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all I can say is, wow.

I hope it works as good as the idea.

.22 mag comes out of a pistol barrel about 1/4 faster than .22 long. In a rifle, it's more like 50% faster, but that's because the powder in the .2 mag is slow burning for rifle use.

there is still an advantage in a pistol, though. A pretty good one, along with a big BOOM and a big WHOOSH of flame that is thoroughly impressive to someone on the other end of this round in a pistol.

one guy's site shows a 5" revolver barrel getting the .22 magnum round out at almost 1500 fps (edit- obviously, with a 30 grain bullet), and if this gun operates in locked breech mode it will be even faster. between that kind of speed and 30 rounds of a good hollowpoint, this new pistol wouldn't be the worst choice for self defense by a long shot...

not to mention the sheer FUN of 30 rounds.. :)

I have a Taurus .22 mag revolver in 4" barrel, and it's a nice blend of power, speed, whoosh and boom, but still the straightest shooting revolver I ever had.. I know the powder burning outside the barrel is a waste and doesn't help the bullet along, but it sure is fun to see and hear.. and I can't help but think it might be a useful deterrent in a back alley too... as well as a nice loud noise to bring the law along...

I have a 32 round GLock mag that fits in my wife's G26, and once per session I'll load 'er up and make a very large hole in the middle of my target just for fun.. feels ENDLESS...
 

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I see that there apparently are some of the PMR-30 available now.

Has anyone actually tried one of these and if so, what is your opinion ?

The price of these pistols seem to be running a lot higher than the price that was given in the first part of this thread.

Thanks.
 

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I've been following that story a bit... Seems they released a small first wave a few weeks ago... I've read a few range reports from early buyers on other blogs/forums... From what I've read I get the impression the company is taking it slow in the beginning so they can fix the inevitable problems that crop up in early runs before anything gets too far out of hand. So far, I haven't read about any glaring problems... just some small stuff. They'll probably ramp production up quite slowly over these first few months. It's an interesting product. I'm also looking for first-hand reports and figure we'll probably see a couple on this forum soon.
 

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Has anyone recieved one of these and have any reactions they would like to share? I am really interested in buying one myself. Its just one of those guns you would get addicted to. Fast!
 

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Here's a link to a blog that offers a lot of info... if you wade through the comments from August on... Kel-Tec had production set-backs... comments from Kel-Tec official... they're still kind of trickling out... many stores have wait lists... some price gouging going on because they're so in demand... most of the kinks seem worked out... some ammos work fine, others very problematic... those that have 'em, like 'em... etc...

SNAFU!: Kel-Tec PMR 30. Hitting store shelves soon?
 
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