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If a pistol could duplicate the sighting and steady platform of a rifle could it compete?

In shooter situation (where fast draw is not an issue), in a building, it may be that employees are armed with pistols. If the shooter has a rifle then he has the advantage. What if a handgun could be 'clipped' into a frame that essentially makes it a rifle?

Why a frame? Consider a school where you need a handgun kept close on your person. You want to protect it. That would be difficult with a rifle unless it's locked up. I doubt a teacher would sling his AR. But if you had a 'mount' just set in the corner, ready for use, do you think it would help? Are these things made?
 

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If a pistol could duplicate the sighting and steady platform of a rifle could it compete?

In shooter situation (where fast draw is not an issue), in a building, it may be that employees are armed with pistols. If the shooter has a rifle then he has the advantage. What if a handgun could be 'clipped' into a frame that essentially makes it a rifle?

Why a frame? Consider a school where you need a handgun kept close on your person. You want to protect it. That would be difficult with a rifle unless it's locked up. I doubt a teacher would sling his AR. But if you had a 'mount' just set in the corner, ready for use, do you think it would help? Are these things made?
Once a stock is attached it would be considered a short barreled rifle which is illegal and prohibited under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). Unless the pistol barrel is at least 16 inches and the overall length with the stock attached is at least 26 inches.

www.atf.gov › firearms › qaCan I lawfully make a pistol into a rifle without registering ...

Jan 23, 2020 · Assuming that the firearm was originally a pistol, the resulting firearm, with an attached shoulder stock, is not an NFA firearm if it has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length.

Assembly of Weapons from Parts Kits
The Thompson/Center Court viewed the parts within the conversion kit not only as a Contender pistol, but also as an unassembled “rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(c). The inclusion of the rifle stock in the package brought the Contender pistol and carbine kit within the "intended to be fired from the shoulder" language in the definition of rifle at 26 U.S.C. 5845(c). Id. at 513 n.6. Thompson/Center did not address the subsequent assembly of the parts. United States v. Ardoin, 19 F.3d 177, 181 (5th Cir. 1994). Based on the definition of “firearm” in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), if parts are assembled into a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, a regulated short-barreled rifle has been made. See, e.g., United States v. Owens, 103 F.3d 953 (11th Cir. 1997); United States v. One (1) Colt Ar-15, 394 F. Supp. 2d 1064 (W.D.Tenn. 2004). Conversely, if the parts are assembled into a rifle having a barrel or barrels 16 inches in length or more, a rifle not subject to the NFA has been made.
 

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Besides being illegal who would have the presence of mind to assemble and bring into use. It takes muscle memory to quickly deploy and are they going to practice enough to have that skill?
 

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For "most" indoor distances, a pistol is fine, for what it is. The ability to hit a target is well within the perimeters. Putting a stock on a pistol doesn't make it a rifle
A rifle round isn't a pistol round. They are very different in a lot of ways, so not exactly sure what you are trying to ask.
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Simply put by wiser men than I, your pistol is best used to fight your way to your rifle.
I would NEVER choose a pistol over a rifle. If you disagree and survive, let us know how it worked out.
 
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the question seems mostly answered, but…I‘m going to try to go point by point.

Adding a stock to a pistol does increase hit potential by gaining two more contact points with shoulder and cheek to help stabilize the firearm and maintain alignment. This also helps speed up follow up shots.

Hit potential is key in stopping someone from continuing to do bad things, however it isn’t the only factor. When looking at power of rifle rounds which generally push projectiles at velocities greater than 2,300 feet per second, the energy levels are higher than what pistol rounds produce. Most pistols push projectiles at less than 1,400 FPS. In the case of an AR15 the rounds are often traveling over 3,000 feet per second With energy levels near 1,500 ft/lbs, compared to a 9mm running 1,200 FPS and producing 370 ft/lbs. So, rifles produce larger wounds that stop biologic targets more quickly. Rifles also are better barrier penetrators and body armor defeaters.

Stocks for pistols have been produced. In the US the attachment of a stock to a handgun without having passed an additional background check while applying for a tax stamp from the ATF to turn a handgun into a short barreled rifle, is illegal. Owning and posessing both a handgun and a stock for that handgun without having the tax stamp is considered “constructive intent” by the ATF and is still considered illegal, even if the stock is never attached.

In other countries this may not be an issue.

The concept is not new. The Israelis make some products to basically place a chassis over a handgun and turn it into a pistol caliber carbine. They also made/make(?) a product called the Corner Shot, which was made for building entry teams. Basically a shoulder stock for a Glock that is hinged, with a camera so they can shoot from behind cover and look around corners and fire without exposing a soldier/police officer to fire.

The Mauser Broomhandle and early artillery model Luger pistols, as well as the Browning HiPower had models with provision for mounting shoulder stocks in the early 1900s. Even black powder Colt revolvers could be fitted with stocks. So, again, the concept isn’t new. But the handgun cartridges still never were intended to outperform the rifle cartridges.
 

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the question seems mostly answered, but…I‘m going to try to go point by point.

Adding a stock to a pistol does increase hit potential by gaining two more contact points with shoulder and cheek to help stabilize the firearm and maintain alignment. This also helps speed up follow up shots.

Hit potential is key in stopping someone from continuing to do bad things, however it isn’t the only factor. When looking at power of rifle rounds which generally push projectiles at velocities greater than 2,300 feet per second, the energy levels are higher than what pistol rounds produce. Most pistols push projectiles at less than 1,400 FPS. In the case of an AR15 the rounds are often traveling over 3,000 feet per second With energy levels near 1,500 ft/lbs, compared to a 9mm running 1,200 FPS and producing 370 ft/lbs. So, rifles produce larger wounds that stop biologic targets more quickly. Rifles also are better barrier penetrators and body armor defeaters.

Stocks for pistols have been produced. In the US the attachment of a stock to a handgun without having passed an additional background check while applying for a tax stamp from the ATF to turn a handgun into a short barreled rifle, is illegal. Owning and posessing both a handgun and a stock for that handgun without having the tax stamp is considered “constructive intent” by the ATF and is still considered illegal, even if the stock is never attached.

In other countries this may not be an issue.

The concept is not new. The Israelis make some products to basically place a chassis over a handgun and turn it into a pistol caliber carbine. They also made/make(?) a product called the Corner Shot, which was made for building entry teams. Basically a shoulder stock for a Glock that is hinged, with a camera so they can shoot from behind cover and look around corners and fire without exposing a soldier/police officer to fire.

The Mauser Broomhandle and early artillery model Luger pistols, as well as the Browning HiPower had models with provision for mounting shoulder stocks in the early 1900s. Even black powder Colt revolvers could be fitted with stocks. So, again, the concept isn’t new. But the handgun cartridges still never were intended to outperform the rifle cartridges.
Excellent answer. The one I was looking for. Thanks to all.
 
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