Mostly since the 1960's the ideas of right and wrong have been taken away. It is planned destruction of society. I forget which founding father said" our society and government can only survive with a moral society,"The criminal part of society is only controlled by fear of punishment. Today there is no fear of punishment by the legal system. As far as people having training, everyone who uses any type of tool needs to learn how to properly use the tools they have. Mandated training courses I have seen way to many people show up and sit through them and never pay attention any more than they have to and forget all of what was said before they got home. Each person must decide for them self to learn to handle the tools they use safely. Just another old man's opinion from experience.
Florida one final step closer to constitutional carry
Is this a good or bad idea for FLORIDA
I live here and have done so since 88. I’ve had a cwp since that time as well. I’ve been shooting since I was 5 and have been heavily instructed until my years of further instruction in the military began. (It’s been a blast).
Times have changed since before they thought to lay the foundation of our constitution when for the most part, every home had a firearm and its sole purpose back then wasn’t for self defense, but rather substance. Fathers got to educate and train young’ns for years.
My philosophy on responsible gun ownership is ITS A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY and like marriage, children, owning a home and a car SHOULD NOT BE TAKING LIGHTLY.
While I agree 100% that rights should not be capitalized on for monetary purposes (rent to own) there’s also the consideration that theres no such thing as an unregulated right. My personal opinion on that is if there were so many nefarious people out there willing to abuse rights, there would be no reason to regulate them at the state and federal level. A healthy , God fearing conscience is self regulating and has no need of federal or state governments defining things for us when we only require those endowed to us by the redeemer of man In his word. But there are many who have pushed that away and abandoned it altogether (having their conscience seered as though with a hot iron). They have abandoned their ability to self regulate right and wrong allowing nefarious men of the same stock to define their sense of right and wrong for them.
I would love that florida becomes a constitutional carry state. I love the option to open carry when it’s hotter than a pistol and twice as muggy.
My concern is that with the influx of city folks (mostly yankees from liberal states) can’t handle such responsibility! They don’t know how. They’ve allowed men, they’re governments to do their thinking em. ”here kids, here’s a AR 15…..go to the park and play” . Bad idea…..very very bad idea!
When I First decided to get a CWP here, I didn’t take that lightly at all. Even though I qualified through my military service, it seemed like something was missing from the equation. I found what was missing through the sheriffs department. They had a program to educate folks wanting to have a cwp. 4 hrs of classroom alone; and you had to demonstrate gun safety and handling with 50 rounds of ammunition on the shooting range.
But the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of this education was the 4 hr long class where were florida law was crammed down your throat! RESPONSIBILITY AND CONSEQUENCES! This alone should scare some folks out of the class and sell off their firearm, realizing they don’t possess the ability to measure up!
Thats what was missing For me so I jumped at it!
If you ask me, constitutional carry for Florida it’s extremely risky without proper training and education. ……and we will be seeing a lot of freak News stories in the months and years after Mr DeSantis signs this bill that I won’t oppose because….it’s just too late. I’ll just go with the flow as well because there are good and bad arguments too.
Yes there are plenty of folks who won’t carry merely because of their anti-gun mentality, only to one day hide behind someone with a gun to guard their well being (everyone loves a sheepdog). But there are also others who are wise enough to know that they don’t measure up or simply don’t want that kind of responsibility. Kudos to them too!
What I would have preferred is baby steps and some kind of regulation for training and education to be conducted independently of state programs.
What this bill does is force me to carry more ammunition than what I feel is necessary.
Criminals who don’t care about the law or training will always have some kind of weapon. A citizen with proper training and education will almost always have the upper hand against those who don’t.
Times have seri changed alrigh.
I’m all for having the option open carry! For Florida I think constitutional carry is a a bunch of accidents waiting to happen. I would much rather prefer to require folks have CWP’s here to qualify for both open and concealed carry.
But thats just me. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m right.
I now open the floor to open, healthy ADULT discussion .
I live here and have done so since 88. I’ve had a cwp since that time as well. I’ve been shooting since I was 5 and have been heavily instructed until my years of further instruction in the military began. (It’s been a blast).
Times have changed since before they thought to lay the foundation of our constitution when for the most part, every home had a firearm and its sole purpose back then wasn’t for self defense, but rather substance. Fathers got to educate and train young’ns for years.
My philosophy on responsible gun ownership is ITS A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY and like marriage, children, owning a home and a car SHOULD NOT BE TAKING LIGHTLY.
While I agree 100% that rights should not be capitalized on for monetary purposes (rent to own) there’s also the consideration that theres no such thing as an unregulated right. My personal opinion on that is if there were so many nefarious people out there willing to abuse rights, there would be no reason to regulate them at the state and federal level. A healthy , God fearing conscience is self regulating and has no need of federal or state governments defining things for us when we only require those endowed to us by the redeemer of man In his word. But there are many who have pushed that away and abandoned it altogether (having their conscience seered as though with a hot iron). They have abandoned their ability to self regulate right and wrong allowing nefarious men of the same stock to define their sense of right and wrong for them.
I would love that florida becomes a constitutional carry state. I love the option to open carry when it’s hotter than a pistol and twice as muggy.
My concern is that with the influx of city folks (mostly yankees from liberal states) can’t handle such responsibility! They don’t know how. They’ve allowed men, they’re governments to do their thinking em. ”here kids, here’s a AR 15…..go to the park and play” . Bad idea…..very very bad idea!
When I First decided to get a CWP here, I didn’t take that lightly at all. Even though I qualified through my military service, it seemed like something was missing from the equation. I found what was missing through the sheriffs department. They had a program to educate folks wanting to have a cwp. 4 hrs of classroom alone; and you had to demonstrate gun safety and handling with 50 rounds of ammunition on the shooting range.
But the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of this education was the 4 hr long class where were florida law was crammed down your throat! RESPONSIBILITY AND CONSEQUENCES! This alone should scare some folks out of the class and sell off their firearm, realizing they don’t possess the ability to measure up!
Thats what was missing For me so I jumped at it!
If you ask me, constitutional carry for Florida it’s extremely risky without proper training and education. ……and we will be seeing a lot of freak News stories in the months and years after Mr DeSantis signs this bill that I won’t oppose because….it’s just too late. I’ll just go with the flow as well because there are good and bad arguments too.
Yes there are plenty of folks who won’t carry merely because of their anti-gun mentality, only to one day hide behind someone with a gun to guard their well being (everyone loves a sheepdog). But there are also others who are wise enough to know that they don’t measure up or simply don’t want that kind of responsibility. Kudos to them too!
What I would have preferred is baby steps and some kind of regulation for training and education to be conducted independently of state programs.
What this bill does is force me to carry more ammunition than what I feel is necessary.
Criminals who don’t care about the law or training will always have some kind of weapon. A citizen with proper training and education will almost always have the upper hand against those who don’t.
Times have seri changed alrigh.
I’m all for having the option open carry! For Florida I think constitutional carry is a a bunch of accidents waiting to happen. I would much rather prefer to require folks have CWP’s here to qualify for both open and concealed carry.
But thats just me. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m right.
I now open the floor to open, healthy ADULT discussion .
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So are you implying we should bring back public executions, floggings, ball and chain gangs, the racks?The criminal part of society is only controlled by fear of punishment. Today there is no fear of punishment by the legal system.
If you’re not, then I am! 😉
The rack no the rest would be useful. executions I would do in youthful offenders detention centers as a fortune telling class if they don't straighten up. Bring back corporal punishment back into schools.
Florida is doing good with their Shall Issue Within 90 days.
Rights are not being infringed.
Constitutional Carry sounds like a set up for Floridians.
I know many states have accepted CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY .
i do think CC can only turn bad for Florida ,,,,I’m missing the point in Florida ,,, what’s to gain in Florida Constitutional Carry that we Don’t already Have ?
Rights are not being infringed.
Constitutional Carry sounds like a set up for Floridians.
I know many states have accepted CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY .
i do think CC can only turn bad for Florida ,,,,I’m missing the point in Florida ,,, what’s to gain in Florida Constitutional Carry that we Don’t already Have ?
The biggest argument in support of the bill has been “we shouldn’t have to pay for a piece of paper to have the right to carry“.Florida is doing good with their Shall Issue Within 90 days.
Rights are not being infringed.
Constitutional Carry sounds like a set up for Floridians.
I know many states have accepted CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY .
i do think CC can only turn bad for Florida ,,,,I’m missing the point in Florida ,,, what’s to gain in Florida Constitutional Carry that we Don’t already Have ?
I can’t argue against that, but as I personally outlined in the OP, there’s plenty more reasons why it’s a bad bad bad idea for Florida at this time.
You can open carry in Florida……when you are hunting, hiking or “going fishing“. If you want to open carry here, anywhere……carry a dern fishing pole.
Then theres the Morons who are going to think that their Florida drivers license gives them reciprocity in other states.
Floridians are mostly ignorant and stupid when it comes to laws and firearms, they are not ready for CC!
Yes its great that it’s a “shall issue state” and the state has 90 days to get it done!
Well 30 years ago before computers were fine tuned, CWP’s were all done by hand. Provide you qualifying documents, prints, etc, mail em in and in slightly less than 3 months you have your permit.
These days of filing online……you’ll have a new permit in less than 3 weeks. Renewals you’ll have in 9 days.
You don’t have to have a sheriffs ok after he’s deemed you mentally competent and of moral character, which is totally unconstitutional on many levels. My biggest beef with that is, sheriffs aren’t qualified to make either determination! How is this garbage even legal?
Please pardon me, Tony, but I erred. I couldn’t think of the proper word and used “racks” in place.The rack no the rest would be useful. executions I would do in youthful offenders detention centers as a fortune telling class if they don't straighten up. Bring back corporal punishment back into schools.
I remembered it now……Stocks (something like that I think.)
I want public stocks for petty thieves.
I will personally buy tomatoes, let em rot up a bit and give em toss.
If y’all are discussing the current Florida legislation; It isn’t constitutional carry, it’s permit-less concealed carry. Not open carry, either.
The general population in Florida, has no clue about anything, just watch them drive their cars. Just thinking about everyone of them having a gun, we’d all be dead, these idiots would shoot you for not speaking Spanish.
Ya know something, Pal, I’m a lot dumber than you’re implying! 😉it’s permit-less concealed carry. Not open carry, either.
I pulled the bill this morning (man these things can be tricky reading) and you’re 100% correct on all counts. This leaves me wondering why anyone is referring to it as constitutional carry when it doesn’t meet all of the criteria?
Thats a game changer for my support (And I do fully support it now)
Bad guys and some convicted felons don’t care about the law or having to pay for a permit to conceal. Why should we have to?
There will always be problems with stupid people who ignore the law and think that because they don’t have to have a permit that their Florida drivers license gives them reciprocal rights in all 50 states.
To them I say….Woe unto you and your arrogance.
As it is with folks in most states. They just wanna get on with their happy lil lives and their overly developed sense of freedom, their self defined and self regulated morals and depend on the Sheep Dogs to guard em.The general population in Florida, has no clue about anything, just watch them drive their cars. Just thinking about everyone of them having a gun, we’d all be dead, these idiots would shoot you for not speaking Spanish.
I don’t envy you and your family having watched for generation after generation, the degradation of your home land. I’ve been here for 30 years, long enough to know what it used to be like in my eyes. Can’t even imagine the differences your family has seen.REMOVED BY STAFF
I’ll stay where I like.
I believe it was John Adams who uttered something along those lines. He was referring to how a Constitutional Republic might last through generations yet unborn, as memory serves me.Mostly since the 1960's the ideas of right and wrong have been taken away. It is planned destruction of society. I forget which founding father said" our society and government can only survive with a moral society,"The criminal part of society is only controlled by fear of punishment. Today there is no fear of punishment by the legal system. As far as people having training, everyone who uses any type of tool needs to learn how to properly use the tools they have. Mandated training courses I have seen way to many people show up and sit through them and never pay attention any more than they have to and forget all of what was said before they got home. Each person must decide for them self to learn to handle the tools they use safely. Just another old man's opinion from experience.
Like to hear more about the Northern Hell holes you’ve experienced..I don’t envy you and your family having watched for generation after generation, the degradation of your home land. I’ve been here for 30 years, long enough to know what it used to be like in my eyes. Can’t even imagine the differences your family has seen.
I’ll stay where I like.
The change here since I grew up has been unbelievable, and not for the better.I don’t envy you and your family having watched for generation after generation, the degradation of your home land. I’ve been here for 30 years, long enough to know what it used to be like in my eyes. Can’t even imagine the differences your family has seen.
I’ll stay where I like.
Unfortunately; you could probably say that about most places…
I have to think that I've been fortunate in regards to where I have lived. Born in Idaho, but mostly raised in WA. State. Lived in MT. for about 4 years or so, and then moved to AZ., and then to OR. and then back to AZ.
No regrets about any of them.
No regrets about any of them.
If you’re serious, I was a piledriver in Baltimore and DC, traveled all up and down the east coast doing jobs. All the big cities, New York, Phillie, Richmond, and all the in betweens. Traveled all over, I really liked Travers City up by the UP, did a job there in February, cold as hell working under that crane. It goes on and on with pile driving jobs……Like to hear more about the Northern Hell holes you’ve experienced..
Very nice,If you’re serious, I was a piledriver in Baltimore and DC, traveled all up and down the east coast doing jobs. All the big cities, New York, Phillie, Richmond, and all the in betweens. Traveled all over, I really liked Travers City up by the UP, did a job there in February, cold as hell working under that crane. It goes on and on with pile driving jobs……
Sounds Coastal, water piling ?
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We have constitutional carry in Texas. It passed a couple of years back, if I remember right.
However, I have read that carrying in a school zone is a federal offense without a concealed carry permit. Plus, stories here about constitutional carry claim that if you forgot that you had your gun while at the airport, they will let you go back and secure your gun in your vehicle without having the police get involved. Not having the permit puts you at risk in those circumstances.
It's also nice to skip the background check at the gun store. So, there are benefits of having the license.
However, I have read that carrying in a school zone is a federal offense without a concealed carry permit. Plus, stories here about constitutional carry claim that if you forgot that you had your gun while at the airport, they will let you go back and secure your gun in your vehicle without having the police get involved. Not having the permit puts you at risk in those circumstances.
It's also nice to skip the background check at the gun store. So, there are benefits of having the license.
In states that requires purchase permits you don't have to buy a permit to purchase a handgun
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