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I have fired a decent variety of pistols, but I don't currently own my own pistol. I am not yet 21 (only a couple months to go) and thus I don't own my own pistol, my Dad currently owns a Springfield Arms Ultra-Compact 1911 .45ACP, Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver, and a Glock 17. My best friend owned a 357 SIG P226, and a .38 Special Colt revolver (I think he said it was a "trooper"). I've fired all the pistols listed a bit, I think I've put about 1,000 rounds through the revolver, and probbably 200 for all the others.

Lately, I'm beginning to dispise the revolver- it's haveing serious issuses with ammo not going off when I try to fire double action, but thats another issue to settle elesewhere. Last time I took it out and fired 30 rounds, not a single round fired double action- they all fired single action, the time before that, I fired every round double action and only 1 failed to go off (which was better than what it had been doing. . .)

I've been researching balistics a bit, and I believe I like the .40 S&W the best.

I think I'll start by listing what I dislike about the guns I have (while, I've already done that for the revolver. . .). I don't believe these are necessairly bad guns, I believe their are good things about them, but in describing my preferences I will list what I dislike.

I dislike the 1911 because it is very difficult to dis-assemble for cleaning, especially in comparison to the Glock. Another thing I dislike about the 1911 is the contols seem un-necessairly difficult to operate, the hammer has an amazingly heavy pull- I like being able to fire single action for a light trigger pull and thus more accuracy (at least, that has proven true on the revolver) but the contorls on the 1911 just seem overly difficult to use. I cant think of any other pistol I've fondeled with such stiff controls. I'm also not very happy with the 6 round magazines that the ultra-compact uses (I think the standard 1911's have either 6 or 8 round magazines?).

I don't like the Glock 'cause the rounds are two little and the pistol is too light, overall it feels like a toy. I'm also not a fan of the lack of external safety features on the glock. I dislike the lack of weight that the Glock has, and I'm not very fond of polymer frames. I don't think polymer frames are a bad thing, but as long as I can get a metal I want it. :)

The only complaint I have for the SIG P226 I've handeled is the de-cocking lever. It's a slight bit difficult to reach, and it has an very long travel.

After handeling some Beretta 92/96s, I believe I want one. :) I like the metal frame, and I like the controls. I'm not sure wether I want a FS or G model, but that cen be decided later. Does this seem like a good or bad decision? I think the SIG is a nice pistol too, and a biased source of mine has been attempting to convince me that the SIGs are more reliable. I haven't had a chance to fondel very man USPs (I think I've seen one so far), but I'm not a big fan of the polymer frame. I've been lead to believe that Walther and Smith & Wesson auto-pistols are not quite as reliable as the other brands? I haven't looked at many other Springfield Armory pistols, mainly 'cause they just seem to be even more rare than the H&Ks.

So I think it's down to Beretta 96 vs SIG P226. . .

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breech said:
Welcome! I'm not trying to sound like an ass.. Take it as constructive critisism. You have alot to learn about the different formats available.
Fair enough, I will agree that I have a lot to learn, which is why I'm hoping to find out information here.

You cannot judge EVERYTHING by handling just a few guns. Have you handled and shot a premium or custom 1911? World of a difference. Controls are easy to use and engage/disengage. It's all with practice. Practice practice practice. The thumb safety should be second nature.
As far as disassembly, it's a piece of cake after you get it down and know what you are doing.
I will admit to not handeling or shooting a wider variety of 1911s. I dislike the .45ACP cartridge due to the lower capactiy and thus I have not had much desire to handle the 1911s. Shooting the guns would proove even more difficult for me to do. I will take your advice and try handeling more 1911s to see if the controls are not quite so overly stiff. As far as dis-assembly of the 1911,

I must maintain my opinion based on what few 1911s I have handeled that the dis-assembly is more difficult than other pistols. I know there are more important aspects of a gun than the ease of field stripping, I simply stated that is something I dislike about the 1911 I currently have access to.

Glock rounds are too little? I have pictures I can provide of you of expanded hollowpoints. I can link you to a guy who shot himself with a 9mm. I'm assuming again you are basing your opinions on your dad's G17. There are other models besides the G17.
Well, when I said that 9mm luger rounds are too small, I meant they are smaller than what I would like to have in a pistol of my own. I base that on the ballistics (particularly energy), the fact that the FBI now issues .40 S&W pistols to graduates from their accademy, and reports of disapointment of the round size among soldiers who were issued a M9/Beretta 92 9mm luger pistol for use in Iraq. I simply would rather have the larger size and more power of a .40 S&W. Based on the fact that most pistols I have looked at which come in 9mm size are typically also offered in .40 S&W I believe the .40 S&W would be a good choice.

Also, if your referring to other Glock pistols, I am aware of the Glock 22 and 23 (some others too) which fire .40 S&W rounds. However, I do believe that the loading ramp in Glock pistols chambered for .40 S&W rounds (and possibly other sizes too?) is enlarged to a point where a large portion of the round is left un-supported (more so than other pistols?), and thus Glock does not recomend the use of reloaded rounds. If that is true, I see that small flaw as something I would prefer not to have in a pistol of my own.

An alternative is the DAK model on the Sig 226. You don't have to worry about the decocking lever. There is none.
I would prefer an akward decocking lever over none at all.

Springfield Armory pistols are rare?
I did say that I have not seen many Springfield pistols in the shops where I have been looking, nor have I seen many at the gun shows. Granted in the extremely rural area I live in, gun-shops are not very common, I do have to travel quite far too find even small shops, the closest, decent sized shop that I know of is 60 miles away. :(

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Re: My Gun Is Prettier Than Yours!!

TxPhantom said:
Careful Grasshopper, never tell a man you don't like his brand of gun or that he has ugly kids! :roll:

To confuse the issue even more try a Israili Desert Eagle. Wife just bought one and it shoots great.

Also remember, your gun interests will continue to evolve. Next month you may be into skeet shooting and begin to drool over fine shotguns, then you can't live without a AR15, etc, etc....... It never ends!

Glad to see another bright young man interested in firearms. Sounds like you take the sport seriously and you've gained a fair amount of gun savy for your age. And, more importantly, I know you wont vote gun grabbers into political office when you vote. :lol:
I think I should calrify that I don't really dislike the 1911s in general, nor do I really dislike Glock. I think they are each nice in their own ways, but for the start of my gun collection I'd prefer either a Beretta or a SIG. :) I was hoping that I would find information here to help me choose which of the two I'd like.

As far as other weapons go, I do look forward to the day when I can have an AR-15 of my own, a Benelli M4 would be nice too. :) Unfortunately, colleting firearms seems to be an expensive hobby.

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Well, Monday I was in a gun store in Denver CO, called Fireing Line. Amazing place, had one display case full of 9mms, one full of .40S&Ws, one full of .45s, about 3 or 4 full full of fevolvers. Far better selection than the gun stores in southwest KS. I successfully fondeled every pistol I can think of, all in .40 S&W, H&K USP, S&W M&P, S&W P990, Walther P99, SIG P229 (and 226 DAK), Springfield XD, and three Beretta 96s (vertec, steel, and elite II).

The SIG grip seem'd like it was a bit larger than all the other pistols, and I'm still not very fond of it's decocking lever.

Of all those guns, I think can say I would like to own an XD, USP, or Beretta. The USP had a magazine release which was difficult to operate (though I could get used to that) and it's hammer lacked a spur. . . The XD lacked the hammer altogother, I know thats not a bad thing, but I like haveing a hammer. I would still love to have a collection consisting of all three pistols, but based on a combination of the controls, my desire for a non-plastic frame, and looks too, I must choose the Beretta. :) Now I just have to wait a few (96) days till I can legally own my own handgun. :(

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1911 driver, with all do respect, I am fully aware of the fact that a DA/SA pistol like the SIG or Beretta's are a tiny more complex than a Springfield XD, Glock, or other pistols. However, I don't believe such pistols are overly complex, I like the flexability that the DA/SA fireing system offers. I have not owned many pistols, however I have been around quite a few, I have a ton of practice on a 686 revolver, and I do plan to learn how to properly use whatever pistol I choose to get. The controls have been one of my main considerations in falling in love with the Beretta 96.

A SA only system like on a Glock, M&P or Springfield XD is nice in the sense that a person can grab the pistol and have a nice light trigger pull to fire the gun every time. However, I do believe the DA/SA fireing system does happen to be a tiny bit safer than a SA only system.

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