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I guess I just don't get it.
If a Glock or vp9 type action is ok to carry Iwb at 3oclock, but the same gun owner is afraid of 12oclock carry, I don't want to have a discharge into my groin area.
The logic is flawed, you shouldn't have a discharge with any type of carry position .
If you're carrying thinking one day I'll have a negligible discharge , as I carry this type of format. You're not rigged up correctly or you own the wrong gun
 

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I always carry safely. I just dont like the idea of any gun pointed at my balls. At least with my Berettas I could actually touch the safety and feel the hammer. It's an irrational fear. I admit that. I also know that the likelihood of being eaten by a shark is astronomically low but that doesn't stop me from thinking about it when I'm in the ocean stopping to have a look around when the thought crosses my mind.
I don't carry my Glocks chambered, I'm confident in my ability to quick rack the gun.
There's no perfect solution, if I'm vulnerable in a certain situation without a round chambered, so be it.
You love that vp9, great trigger, easy to rack especially with the charging bars.
It's your choice to choose,
 

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I use to feel a safety was important on the Glock, DAO type handguns. Not anymore
The safety can be clicked off inadvertently, now you may be compromised if you're depending on the safety, your mode of carry becomes your safety net.
Pocket carry, loose fitting holster or improper holster may be tempting with a safety that now puts you in a comfort zone.

Plus any gun with a safety,,,now forces you to sweep the safety after drawing, whether you think it's engaged or un engaged.
It would be a move incorporated into your action of a situation. IMO
 

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I don't see his logic as flawed, and I agree with him. If you have a ND in your pants(which is a chance carrying any pistol format chambered) at 3:00, 4:00 or 5:00 o'clock the odds are the bullet may hit you in the outer leg, outer thigh or butt cheek. If you appendix carry IWB and have a ND IWB, chances are very good you will hit your goods, upper thigh, or pelvic area.
I understand and agree.

My feeling is I can't allow myself to carry a pistol with a greater % chance that is gonna be discharged while holstered.

The guns people most talk about not carrying appendix because of negligent discharges are the cocked strikers.

My point was written very badly.

I'll carry chambered SA/DA all day long ,1911s, revolvers also, I trust the long pull and the safety of the 1911s.

Not sure about this, but I think most negligent discharges happen when the gun is unholstered.

When I've heard about holstered negligent discharges , it seems to always involve the strikers, DAO, Glock, m&p or similar cocked mechanics.

This is strictly my opinion without any real good sources to back it up, lol.
 

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How dare you? Carry without a live round chambered in a single action striker fired pistol? Sacrilege!;)
I too have decided to carry with an empty chamber. I will explain why for those who care.
First and foremost I do not want a negligent discharge to ruin my life and/or the life of anyone else.
Second, I always know the state of my pistol and know that I have to rack the slide to change that condition.
Third, I am not in a hurry to shoot my pistol without surveying the situation, assessing the threat, and the chances of a successful retreat. I do not want to rush to judgement on a life altering choice.
Lastly, if I take the time to assess the situation as I rack the slide I won't be so likely to shoot the wrong guy.
As a side bonus, if someone is able to disarm me I may be able to keep him from killing me by preventing him from chambering a round.
YMMV or (your mileage must vary)
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Good point about the possibility of someone grabbing the gun, and not knowing what to do , other then pull the trigger first.
 

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IMO, the thing about Not carrying a round in the chamber is the fact that I believe you are putting yourself in harms way. You are giving a huge edge to the bad guy. The bad guy which in most cases has a big advantage in the first place. They use the element of surprise more often than not. Drawing a gun in itself takes time, racking a slide more time. I spend a lot of time just drawing and do this daily, like a standard routine. I believe the winner of a attack will go to the first person that shoots. Fast Drawing and proficient Point and Shoot skills are a requisite for EDC. Takes time and Practice and a lot of money and ammo to do well, but just the cost of EDC.

Remember this story? Look at the right hand of the man what will pull the gun first.



Here is a actual photo of a young woman in my city. At Christmas time she is seen walking into this convenience store in broad daylight. Inside are two thugs who will shot her to death.



Here is a actual Photo of the reporter right before she was shot.

Looks like a losing situation.
 
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