Walther 22 for CCW
How may of you all use the .22 for personnel defence or home defence? I'm thinking of adding one to my collection.
Thank in advance
What is your reason for wanting a .22 for defense? It's way underpowered and poor in terms of stopping power. If you're serious about personal defense, get something .38/.380 as a minimum if this will be your primary weapon.
Now, I have heard that the P22 makes a real nice plinker.
I was thinking of something for the MS, I have 2 .45's and she is getting use to her SW 38 Airlite. But I noticed that she was eyeballing another shooter at the range that was using it Walther. And she keeps bring it up in conversations.
Originally Posted by Snowman
Well then pick one up for her! But give her something a bit more effective for carry. The P22 is fun, but not a good choice for that use.
I really don't think it's a great idea. There are some cases of attackers being killed by a .22 but they are pretty few. IF someone were violently attacking you or her, their blow/stab/shot would in all likelihood still land before they even realized they were being shot. It just doesn't have the power to do enough damage to stop someone. Hell, there are a lot of arguments that a .32 or .380 doesn't either. I think her .38 is a great choice.
Her .38 is nice, but it has a wicked kick (being lite) I'll just let her get more use to her shooter before introducing her to something else. Off the subject, one of the shooters there had that Taurus Judge, and he let me shoot a 410 round, dang that was like catching a 2x4 in your hand that someone was swing at you... you felt it. Way cool gun and pattern.
Originally Posted by PanaDP
Have you thought of changing the grips on her .38? A lot of times different, fuller grips will reduce felt recoil a lot. I assume she's carrying in her purse so slightly larger grips may not be a big deal.
If you carry a .22LR for defense, it would be natural selection to get killed by a mugger...
Oh, and Gears of War sucks...
Originally Posted by Alaskan_Viking
Hehehehe, I love using the Chainsaw on Xbox live, then listening to the guy (whom I've just killed) say what a "noob" I am, for using the Chainsaw instead of the Shotgun. now I play Rainbow Six though... oops, Off topic.
But seriously, I can't imagine the P99 having that much more recoil in 9mm, especially if you're gonna be using it for defense.
Inside joke; his Avatar is from a popular Xbox video game.
Originally Posted by PanaDP
The .38 kicks? Maybe try a lighter load. Federal makes a low recoil, Hydra-Shock P.D. load. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...732&t=11082005 (from the Midway site)
For practice try something like these Remingtons. They're only listed at having a muzzle energy of 185 ft lbs. (also from the Midway site)
I'm sure that there are others light loads.
Originally Posted by drummin man 627
I think (now) that it's mostly likely the way she and I held the gun. For me it's really kinda small. And for her I think it was more of her getting use to the gun.... I think I should move this to the SW section
But as for the Walther I think I might look into a 9mm.
I would also recommend a centerfire over a .22 for SD, but I also have a wife who likes a small and comfortable-shooting pistol. She found a Beretta 21 at a gunshow (she likes going with me to these things), and likes shooting it quite a bit. She also has a .38 snubbie to carry when she travels, but she doesn't always carry it. She wanted a .22 to keep in her purse at all times, and chose the Beretta as it is quite small.
She knows the limitations of the caliber, but she is her own person and does what she wants, and I am just glad that she carries at all. Her Beretta is loaded with CCI Quick Shok, which is one of the more damaging .22lr rounds. Although one shot might not stop an attacker, it will most likely stop or at least deter most people. Three or four of these things into COM will stop the really persistant.
We also have a P22, used as a range fun-gun. It's ok, but the Beretta makes a better SD pistol as it is much easier to conceal. Some others to look at would be the Bersa/Firestorm line of .22's, and of course there is also the Walther TPH, if you can find one...
I generally move quickly from the discussions on "which gun for SD" posts, they have no ending. I prefer centerfire for SD. I own a P22 and am not a big fan of the pistol. One of its plusses is that fires reliably with most ammo.
I recently read a story about a retiree who, after being stabbed in the arm, used a P22 to kill the attacker. It took several rounds, but the pistol did the job. I can't find a link to the story. But it does validate, IMO, that a .22 can be successfully used in SD situations if you have the presence of mind to use it in the situation. It may take several rounds, but I bet that centerfires may take more than one round.
I do my darndest to avoid being in places that I feel the need for heavy firepower. You never get to pick the time, place and circumstances for the need/use of a CCW. The P22 is light, easy to carry and shoots pretty reliably. It is accurate enough at close range to be used. My guess is that it would do reasonbly well if the carrier is ready to use it and can use it effectively.
For self defense I would never carry a 22 unless it was the only gun I could conceal. It's better than no weapon at all!!
Years ago, I met a man that was shot 3 times with a 38. He was hyped up on something. He beat the crap out of the Cop that shot him!!
When I learned of that, I replaced my 38 with a 44 special. I replaced my .380 with a 10 mm. I got rid of my 9mm. When my wife got her first gun she didn't bother with small calibers. She got a .357 mag.
If you are ever involved in a gun fight. Have a weapon that will do the job!!
Why not take a look at the P99C or the PPS. I don't know why she liked the P22 but if it is because of its looks either one of these should fit the bill. They wouldn't overwhelm her with power. They would be a much better option for SD that a P22.
Originally Posted by SAS MAYHEM
22LR should only be aimed at the eyes ears nose and throat
but who is that accurate especially in a stressful situation -
keep the 38 for her BUT....
also buy her the 22 also
she will love it at the range and will practice a lot more and become even more profecient
to sas mayhem
buy her the 22
one she likes it and will have fun shooting it and get REAL comfortable
then get the PPS because it is the same dimensions - identical except for the external safety
once she is comfortable with the size and feel of the 22 it would be a very easy pic for her to pick up the PPS - she should feel verycomfortable with the 9mm
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