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    Walther PPS

    Anyone have a Walther PPS?

    Looking for reviews, cause I'm thinking about getting one.


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    There is a review on the Walther Forum I believe.

    http://www.waltherforums.com/vb/

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    Also the most recent issue of guns and ammo 'Handguns' has a pretty good review on it.

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    Thanks for the info.

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    I have the P22 and it is the same dimensions as the PPS so my next gun will be the PPS. nice article in G&A sept issue - nuf said - i am buying one

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    The only review worth getting is one from someone you know or renting one and reviewing it yourself. I know that's hard with new guns and guns that don't normally rent like this one. Magazine reviews are all the same. If they want to keep getting advertising dollars then what kind of review do you think your going to get?? Take the manufacture reputation which in this case is very good. Go to a show or store that has one and check out how it feels. I think doing that is better than any review. I don't get the 6 or 7 or 8 round mags and did not like the feel or looks. It felt the best for me with the 8 rd mag but you don't get them with the gun and right now good luck getting them. You get the 6 or 7 with the gun and the price is high. I would have to drop another 120 on mags so I'll wait a year before I think about owning one. I might get lucky and find someone at the range with one. The trigger pull wasn't bad felt like the QA.
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    Question for Hideit

    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    I have the P22 and it is the same dimensions as the PPS so my next gun will be the PPS. nice article in G&A sept issue - nuf said - i am buying one
    Hideit,
    I have the new PPS in 9mm, have put about 1200 rounds through it and still think it is outstanding. Regarding your comments about the P22 being the same dimension -- are you saying the holsters for the P22 will fit the PPS? If so, you will have solved the only issue I have with the PPS - not enough holsters. Thanks in advance.

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    I considered the PPS for a carry gun along with the P99c. Availability wasn't an issue as my P99c had to be special ordered, which would've been the same with the PPS. I haven't held or shot one, but I got to hold a 9mm P99c and it fit like a glove, so I went with that. I'd love to hold a PPS though.

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    I've got one, and it's very accurate

    Got mine in January at McBride's in Austin; I had to be put on a waiting list for a couple weeks -- and made a point to appear within a couple hours when I was finally called. McBride's got in two or three that time, and reported that the 8 or 10 they'd had in before had all been sold to waiting customers.

    Its grip is considerably more slender than the P99, and so feels a little "sharper"; altough very comfortable, it's not quite as glove-like as my P99. In fact, the grip feels more like my PP, although mechanically, the gun is far more akin to the P99 than it is to the PP.

    I'm not a dead shot, but offhand, at 15 yards, my right-to-left spread on the very first magazine was all of an inch and a half; the vertical spread was somewhat more, maybe three inches. I attribute this to the short sight radius; for me, it's easier to discern equal light spaces on either side of the blade than it is evaluate a dead-level across the tops of front and rear sights. Probably my aging eyes.

    Resting the butt on my range stall's carpeted 4x4 block, my next three shots were all much closer together, about 1 1/2" vertically and less than an inch horizontally.

    The first few mags were not centered on the bull; I had to learn two things:

    1) POI - for me, with my PPS - is at the center of the white spot of the front blade. That is, cover the bull with the white spot, and it goes into the bull.

    2) the smaller grip was causing me to over-squeeze the grip, causing my shots to pull to the right.

    Of course, in more rapid fire and with less concentration, my groups open up a little more... and if I move back and forth from one gun to another, I do find that it takes a moment to readjust to the short sight radius.

    I am very, very impressed with the accuracy. Trigger is still a bit gritty, but the pull is very even, and the second-stage and release are very crisp. As others have observed in this thread, it's more like the P99 AS trigger; my P99 is a QA (quite different).

    Weight and balance are fine: it's not a lot lighter than the P99, but it's a LOT thinner. Size-wise, in profile, it really IS very close to my PP, and given the thickness and feel of the grip, it feels more like the PP.

    As the online Guns and Ammo review reported, it's surprisingly smooth and comfortable to shoot, given its size and the 9mm load.

    My Walthers:
    P-38 9mm (WWII)
    PP .380
    P99 9mm
    PPS 9mm

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    I have the PPS and I love it. I have not had a problem with it. It is fun to shoot and very accurate.

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    P22 3.4" barral
    P22 Limited Edition with 3.4" and 5" barrels
    PPK .380 Auto
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    P99 AS 9 MM
    P99 AS 40 S&W
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    I have a PPS, 350 rds later not one problem. Great gun for a first time shooter.

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    I have a 1st Edition PPS. Only 200 rounds so far but no issues at all. The size is great for concealed carry. It is exceptionally accurate for it's size. And I like it better than the FN FNP.40 that I had before it. And the FNP's are NICE!

    I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. They are hard to find though.

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    Suggestions on where to buy? I can't find one locally??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorsporting View Post
    Suggestions on where to buy? I can't find one locally??!!
    Just saw this on ar15.com

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=88&t=533897

    -Jeff-

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    Best thing to do is just keep calling around every couple days or so. I found that no one is able to pin point a date when the PPS's that they have on order will show up. The DFW Market Hall gun show is this weekend. Probably a stretch but I'd look there 1st thing Saturday morning. They open at 9am.

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    Was anyone able to get a PPS at the DFW gun show? I was there but not til Sunday afternoon. And there was no Walther PPS to be found. Matter of fact I talked ot a few people about a holster for it and didn't know what the PPS was.

    I did, however find a perfect fitting holster. It's a Galco speed slide for for A Glock.

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    i had a PPS 9 and really liked it. Never had any issues. Biggest problem was finding spare mags (expensive) and a nice leather holster.. it was one of my favorite carry guns. Slim and light weight.

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    I have a PPS 40 that shoots great. First time i shot it I would have a last round FTE every 3rd or 4th mag used until I put 100 rounds through it. Now I don't have a problem. Great pistol!

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    I have both the 9mm and the .40. Love them both. I did put a Limbsaver grip sleeve on them and they both are more comfortable to shoot. Holsters are no problem anymore. Google up PPS holsters and you will find many. Look at RGrizzle Leather holsters. He makes one for the PPS. I have one of his for my EMP. Good work, good looking, well built. I have not had a problem with either gun, The 40 has about 400 rds through it and the 9mm about 250. Google up PPS and you will find some very good deals on the internet. Good Luck.

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    is it true that smith & wesson bought out walther? if so, is the price of a walther just inflated by s&w just because of the walther name? i ask because i'm now looking at the sig p250 and springfield xdm40. if walther is as good as some say, i'll look into them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snotzzz View Post
    is it true that smith & wesson bought out walther? if so, is the price of a walther just inflated by s&w just because of the walther name? i ask because i'm now looking at the sig p250 and springfield xdm40. if walther is as good as some say, i'll look into them as well.
    S&W does do the service on Walthers, in the US, but I hve not heard that they have bought them out, as yet.

    The Walthers are good pistols, but certainly not better than Sigs or Springfields. In my opinion they are priced too high for what they are, they don't ship with spare mags, and the mags are expensive and hard to find, sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bisley View Post
    S&W does do the service on Walthers, in the US, but I hve not heard that they have bought them out, as yet.

    The Walthers are good pistols, but certainly not better than Sigs or Springfields. In my opinion they are priced too high for what they are, they don't ship with spare mags, and the mags are expensive and hard to find, sometimes.
    good stuff bisley, thanks!!!

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    Exclamation Walther PPS Hands on Actual Review

    I was looking for a light powerful handgun for conceal carry.
    I bought and used a Walther PPS April 2011 and here is what happened.
    I have owned 30 different weapon and have fired thousands of rounds.

    Loading the magazine to full capacity was almost impossible. (I ended up with a bleeding thumb).
    The trigger pull was great, the hand feel was great, (The felt recoil was a little less than 357 mag but more than 45 colt)
    Initial Inspection
    The pistol had metal shavings in it I removed on first cleaning prior to shooting.
    The inside not well finished. (I have a Kahr K9 and a HKP9S and were much better finished)
    The only part well finished was the barrel and the grip. All parts on slide action were not.

    Now for the first shoot.
    I have never owned a pistol that performed so poorly exept one. (Smith and Wesson Model 41)
    I used Remingon FMJ ammo to prevent possible first time feeding problems.
    It did not make it though 20 rounds when it started failure to extract.
    It Jammed about 50 % of the time and difficult to clear.
    I took it to on site gunsmith and to him the extracter looked defective.

    Needless to say, this gun needs some work and caution those who are buying this pistol to protect you and your home. This gun is going back to the factory for wauranty repairs and will let all of you know how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danslam View Post
    I was looking for a light powerful handgun for conceal carry.
    I bought and used a Walther PPS April 2011 and here is what happened.
    I have owned 30 different weapon and have fired thousands of rounds.

    Loading the magazine to full capacity was almost impossible. (I ended up with a bleeding thumb).
    The trigger pull was great, the hand feel was great, (The felt recoil was a little less than 357 mag but more than 45 colt)
    Initial Inspection
    The pistol had metal shavings in it I removed on first cleaning prior to shooting.
    The inside not well finished. (I have a Kahr K9 and a HKP9S and were much better finished)
    The only part well finished was the barrel and the grip. All parts on slide action were not.

    Now for the first shoot.
    I have never owned a pistol that performed so poorly exept one. (Smith and Wesson Model 41)
    I used Remingon FMJ ammo to prevent possible first time feeding problems.
    It did not make it though 20 rounds when it started failure to extract.
    It Jammed about 50 % of the time and difficult to clear.
    I took it to on site gunsmith and to him the extracter looked defective.

    Needless to say, this gun needs some work and caution those who are buying this pistol to protect you and your home. This gun is going back to the factory for wauranty repairs and will let all of you know how it goes.
    DanSlam:

    I will have to call you out on your post slamming the Walther PPS.

    First of all, this is the one and only post here on this website from you. It is apparent that you only joined this forum to come here and bad-mouth the Walther PPS. Looks to me that this is not a true review, but something written by someone with a clear agenda to make the PPS look bad.

    Secondly, you purchased a used gun. Why on earth would you purchase any used gun WITHOUT FIRST FULLY INSPECTING IT BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT? That is just such an extremely short-sighted and unwise thing for anyone to do when buying a used gun period.

    Third, your inspection description is exactly OPPOSITE of my own experience in own two Kahr pistols, and two Walther PPS pistols. I've since resold both of my Kahr handguns, because the Walther PPS is such a superior handgun in every way, that I no longer had any need for them.

    The interior finish of the Walther PPS is easily superior to that on the Kahr pistols. Even more important, the fact that the gun has a metal framework inside the polymer frame, and the slide travels on it is clearly a way superior to design compared to the frame of the Kahr pistols, which only have a few sparse metal inserts in the polymer for the slide to ride on. So I have to call your initial "inspection" report totally bogus and off-base, based on my experience.

    As for the gun having a bad extractor, that could possibly be true. Many people are dishonest when selling used guns, and when they have a gun that experiences a problem or malfunction, they simply sell it off and unload the problem gun on someone else. So again, you set yourself up for potentially getting a lemon gun, by buying a gun used.

    Whenever I buy a used gun, I purchase from a dealer that allows me to inspect the gun. If I am buying in person, I can thus avoid buying the gun in the first place. If I am buying from a dealer that is not local, I only purchase if they allow an inspection period, during which I can return the gun for a full refund if it does not pass my inspection. However, it clearly appears that you did nothing like this to protect yourself while buying a used gun.

    If you do come back here to the forum to continue to criticize the PPS, I would especially like to see some photographs from you showing these so called inferior finishes on the frame and slide of your PPS. I just don't buy your description as being accurate, based on my experience.

    I sold my Kahr P40 a long time ago, as I found it too difficult to shoot. Recoil was just way too uncomfortable in the .40 S&W caliber. The aggressive checkering on the Kahr's frame really dug into my hand and stung it, and the heavy slide on top of the super light frame gave it sort of a severe whiplash effect when it recoiled. Much more difficult to control and shoot well, compared to my PPS in .40 S&W

    I tried a couple of other guns to replace the Kahr P40 with, before finally settling on the PPS. I did keep my Kahr PM9 for a number of years, though. I did not sell it until just recently.

    Here is the last photo that I took of my Kahr PM9 before I sold it. I have my 9mm and .40 S&W PPS pistols on either side of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by snotzzz View Post
    is it true that smith & wesson bought out walther? if so, is the price of a walther just inflated by s&w just because of the walther name? i ask because i'm now looking at the sig p250 and springfield xdm40. if walther is as good as some say, i'll look into them as well.
    That is a false rumour that some folks who don't know any better have spread. The PPS handguns are 100% made in Germany by the company Carl Walther GmbH . Smith & Wesson is their distributor for North America. So they handle all sales and warranty servicing. This saved Walther the expense of having to set up their own company in the USA to sell and service their products. Quality handguns made in Germany tend to be a bit expensive. Labor costs are pretty high in Germany, and they have government regulations just as costly to comply with as we have here in the USA. Just look at the cost of HK handguns, which are also entirely made in Germany.

    Here is link to their website:

    Carl Walther GmbH

    The Walther PPS is in an entirely different class of handgun size-wise, compared to the guns that you mentioned. So it normally would not be compared with those pistols. The PPS is small, and extremely thin, to maximize the ease of carrying it concealed.

    Walther does have a brand new full size pistol that they introduced earlier this year, called the PPQ.

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