The Walthers are good pistols, but certainly not better than Sigs or Springfields. In my opinion they are priced too high for what they are, they don't ship with spare mags, and the mags are expensive and hard to find, sometimes.
I was looking for a light powerful handgun for conceal carry.
I bought and used a Walther PPS April 2011 and here is what happened.
I have owned 30 different weapon and have fired thousands of rounds.
Loading the magazine to full capacity was almost impossible. (I ended up with a bleeding thumb).
The trigger pull was great, the hand feel was great, (The felt recoil was a little less than 357 mag but more than 45 colt)
The pistol had metal shavings in it I removed on first cleaning prior to shooting.
The inside not well finished. (I have a Kahr K9 and a HKP9S and were much better finished)
The only part well finished was the barrel and the grip. All parts on slide action were not.
Now for the first shoot.
I have never owned a pistol that performed so poorly exept one. (Smith and Wesson Model 41)
I used Remingon FMJ ammo to prevent possible first time feeding problems.
It did not make it though 20 rounds when it started failure to extract.
It Jammed about 50 % of the time and difficult to clear.
I took it to on site gunsmith and to him the extracter looked defective.
Needless to say, this gun needs some work and caution those who are buying this pistol to protect you and your home. This gun is going back to the factory for wauranty repairs and will let all of you know how it goes.
I will have to call you out on your post slamming the Walther PPS.
First of all, this is the one and only post here on this website from you. It is apparent that you only joined this forum to come here and bad-mouth the Walther PPS. Looks to me that this is not a true review, but something written by someone with a clear agenda to make the PPS look bad.
Secondly, you purchased a used gun. Why on earth would you purchase any used gun WITHOUT FIRST FULLY INSPECTING IT BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT? That is just such an extremely short-sighted and unwise thing for anyone to do when buying a used gun period.
Third, your inspection description is exactly OPPOSITE of my own experience in own two Kahr pistols, and two Walther PPS pistols. I've since resold both of my Kahr handguns, because the Walther PPS is such a superior handgun in every way, that I no longer had any need for them.
The interior finish of the Walther PPS is easily superior to that on the Kahr pistols. Even more important, the fact that the gun has a metal framework inside the polymer frame, and the slide travels on it is clearly a way superior to design compared to the frame of the Kahr pistols, which only have a few sparse metal inserts in the polymer for the slide to ride on. So I have to call your initial "inspection" report totally bogus and off-base, based on my experience.
As for the gun having a bad extractor, that could possibly be true. Many people are dishonest when selling used guns, and when they have a gun that experiences a problem or malfunction, they simply sell it off and unload the problem gun on someone else. So again, you set yourself up for potentially getting a lemon gun, by buying a gun used.
Whenever I buy a used gun, I purchase from a dealer that allows me to inspect the gun. If I am buying in person, I can thus avoid buying the gun in the first place. If I am buying from a dealer that is not local, I only purchase if they allow an inspection period, during which I can return the gun for a full refund if it does not pass my inspection. However, it clearly appears that you did nothing like this to protect yourself while buying a used gun.
If you do come back here to the forum to continue to criticize the PPS, I would especially like to see some photographs from you showing these so called inferior finishes on the frame and slide of your PPS. I just don't buy your description as being accurate, based on my experience.
I sold my Kahr P40 a long time ago, as I found it too difficult to shoot. Recoil was just way too uncomfortable in the .40 S&W caliber. The aggressive checkering on the Kahr's frame really dug into my hand and stung it, and the heavy slide on top of the super light frame gave it sort of a severe whiplash effect when it recoiled. Much more difficult to control and shoot well, compared to my PPS in .40 S&W
I tried a couple of other guns to replace the Kahr P40 with, before finally settling on the PPS. I did keep my Kahr PM9 for a number of years, though. I did not sell it until just recently.
Here is the last photo that I took of my Kahr PM9 before I sold it. I have my 9mm and .40 S&W PPS pistols on either side of it.
Here is link to their website:
Carl Walther GmbH
The Walther PPS is in an entirely different class of handgun size-wise, compared to the guns that you mentioned. So it normally would not be compared with those pistols. The PPS is small, and extremely thin, to maximize the ease of carrying it concealed.
Walther does have a brand new full size pistol that they introduced earlier this year, called the PPQ.
There is a Walther PPS forum/website. From reading the posts there, the PPS in 9mm is a perfectly reliable weapon. The same weapon in .40 chambering has be plagued with problems with failure to eject and failure to feed. The weapon was designed from the beginning to accommodate both calibers, but the 9mm was brought out first (without the same issues that are affecting the .40).
I would wait a while before ordering a PPS in .40; but I would be comfortable buying a PPS in 9mm now.
I am certain that Walther will resolve the issues with the .40s but until they do, for me at any rate, this is a 9mm weapon only. Once I learned that, I lost interest in the weapon.
I frequent both the Walther Forums website and also the PPS Talk website and I would say that you are grossing misrepresenting the situation with the PPS in .40 S&W.
For one thing, you are extremely off-base in your description of when the different calibers of the PPS were introduced. The original 9mm PPS came out in the Spring of 2007. I bought one of them in in February 2008. I later purchased a PPS in .40 S&W in July of 2008 The PPS in .40 S&W began shipping in the USA in the Spring of 2008, roughly one year after the 9mm PPS was in distribution. So the 9mm PPS has been around for just over 4 years, and the .40 PPS has been around for just over 3 years. The .40 caliber model is not at all a new gun. Not by an means.
I've been shooting my fine for a long time now.
But there are many threads there on the .40 with issues and almost none on the 9mm in that regard.
The conclusion that a reader would draw from that is that there are issues with the .40 caliber weapons. Several of the threads were current so it sounds like it is on-going. What percentage this represents? I have no idea.
But if I wasn't going to act based on the things I read there, then I would not have bothered to read it in the first place.
It still sounds like Walther has not fully sorted out the .40 caliber PPS; I wish they had. It sounds like a better weapon than the Kel-tec (which is my first choice).
The only legitimate issue that I've heard occurring with the PPS is a result of the back strap coming loose during firing and rendering the gun unable to fire, a grip sleeve (featured in Lance's photo above) would hopefully prevent that issue. I have not heard (then again I haven't gone back looking for additional info either) if Walther made any improvements in the attachment method of the back strap to prevent this issue.
Lance, thanks for reporting on your 1st hand experience with these guns.
I think that you have not taken enough time or made enough of an effort to adequately research this matter, and have made some quick, snap judgements that are simply not true.
There have been a few cases of extractors breaking on both models of PPS, and also the spring for the slide stop failing. But those problems seem to be very infrequent. And they are not focused on a particular model like the .40 S&W gun.
The 9mm has been on the market now for 4 years, and the .40 S&W for 3.
There has been one single documented case of a PPS exploding a year and a half ago, and that was a .40 S&W model. But the general consensus was that bad ammunition was at fault. The owner was unharmed. He still blamed the PPS as being defective, despite the assertion by Walther that the ammo had been bad. They gave him a brand new pistol anyway in replacement. He got hostile with everyone online talking about the incident, though, and ended up saying that the was going to go sell the new gun and buy something else. The barrel ruptured right in front of the chamber.
I really do highly recommend the Limbsaver Pro Handgun grip sleeves. They are far more comfortable than the Hogue Handall, in my opinion. I also have them on my full size 40 S&W pistols. These include my customized HK USP. It has been enhanced to accept longer 16 round magazines, and also has fully adjustable target sights installed on it:
And also my .40 S&W Beretta PX4 Storm ( shown here with Beretta's 17 round 40 S&W mag in the gun )
The forum is: PPS Owners Forum
I have a Walther PPS .40. The gun is easily the most concealable 40 I can find. A lot of people say the gun misfires or fails to cycle completely. This WILL HAPPEN if you use cheap amo. I have put about 2000 rounds through the gun using Hornady and Winchester and have had ZERO failures. If you can not afford the ammunition required do not buy this gun. This is the CCW pistol of choice.
This gun has my stamp of approval.
I've got a 9mm PPS, it has worked fine from day one. No complaints from me, it's a great little CCW pistol.
Can't wait to get my PPS. Went to the local shop today and held one. It fits perfect.
What is the part number for the Limbsaver sleeve for the PPs?
I bought a PPS off a buddy of mine who needed money. He told me if I used cheap ammo it had a tendency to jam. Give it a good cleaning shot it. Nice little pistol. And YES it did jam with cheap ammo. He also has two of the .22 version which will spit out everything flawlessly. My wife loved the way the PPS felt. Now I love a .40 but this at times was uncomfortable to shoot. So I trade it and $25 for a brand new full sized M*P .40 with 6 extra 15 round mags and a box of hollowpoints.
I am going to do some more research and check on picking up my wife a PPS 9mm. It is however my opinion that the PPS are good guns.
Walther PPS 9mm is probably one of the best handguns I have owned. I sold it to a friend because he bugged me for it, it NEVER misfired or FTE'd
I bought a Springfield XD9 Subcompact, also a nice gun but, it just seems too "fat" being a double stack, it's my EDC, also never a problem....
I like the grip safety on the Springfield, wish the PPS had it.
I will be selling the XD and buying another PPS very soon, and I do like the 7 round mags..the 8's are a bit long and make the gun heavier
if 7 rounds won't do it, you are SOL....(s**t outa' luck)
Besides in 35+ years of carrying, I have only needed to "get ready" to unholster ONE time..and that kinda went away....
I have a PPS for my carry gun. It is very accurate and the recoil is great for it's size
I haven't had any problems with it and I am very happy with it since it is my carry gun. I have a Limbsaver since it is very thin. It is my only striker fired pistol.