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    P99 Hi-Cap mags

    I've found the whole story regarding these mags slightly confusing, especially since I'm looking for MA complaint pre-ban mags. Since the P99 wasn't manufactered until '96 and the ban (correct me if I'm wrong) went into effect in '94, how could there be pre ban mags? Anyhow, a few questions,

    1. Does the 15rd mag for the 9mm P99 fit flush with the frame? I am referring to the mag listed on Walthers website here,

    http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...3343&training=

    2. Is there such a thing as a MA complaint hi cap p99 9mm mag? An answer to this question will take someone familar with MA gun laws.

    Much thanks!

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    1. yes, factory mags made by Mecgar will sit flush.

    2. preban mags just dont have the text for "law enforcement only". dont know the laws of MA. if MA laws is the same as CA laws, then any mags holding more than 10 rounds is illegal.

    heres a seller on waltherforums.com selling used preban mags
    http://www.waltherforums.com/showthread.php?t=10261

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    MA is the same way, everything has to be ten rounds or less, unless the mag was manufactered before a certain date when the AWB ban went into effect. It gets worse. From what I've read there's really no solid way to tell if a mag was manufactered before the date. Some say as long as it doesn't have the LEO/GOV markings you should be ok, others say thats not always the case. It seems very tricky, trying to make it such a headache that we don't even bother.

    I saw that seller, but from what I've gathered those 16rd Turkish P99 mags can cause loading issue's because of the extra 16th round, thus walther makes the 15 round only now.

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    indeed a tricky law. the only date i've seen stamped on walther mags are from the previous federal ban in 94. if the mag does not have the "law enforcement only" text, my contention would be the mag was made before the ban went into effect. but like u said, u never know as there is no date stamp.

    with the 16rd mags, its not required to fill to capacity. most times i only load 15 rds.

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    I got a 15rd OEM mag from midway...

    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=271037

    Midway had the best deal that I found. There are NO LEO/GOV markings on it, so I dunno what to think. I tried it out and its a flush fit and works fine in the gun, I put 50 rounds of aluminum cci and no issues so its good to go. It's stayin at my place in NH till I figure out if its MA legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus99 View Post
    It's stayin at my place in NH till I figure out if its MA legal.
    According to the information below, if you recently purchased it then it's not legal to own in MA.

    Large Capacity Ammunition Magazines

    Massachusetts prohibits the sale, offering for sale, transfer or possession of a large capacity feeding device (as defined under Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 140, 121) unless such device was lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994. Ch. 140, 131M.

    Under Massachusetts law, a "large capacity feeding device" is defined as: "(i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994." Ch. 140, 121. This does not include "an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber ammunition." Id.

    The Massachusetts Secretary of Public Safety ("Secretary") is required to compile and publish a roster of firearms and feeding devices that he or she determines meet the definitions of those terms under ch. 140, 121. Ch. 140, 131.75. The Secretary may amend the roster upon his or her own initiative, upon the initiative of the Gun Control Advisory Board, or upon the petition of any person seeking to place a weapon on or remove a weapon from the roster. Ch. 140, 131.5, 131.75. Weapons and feeding devices not included on the roster may still be considered large capacity firearms or feeding devices if they fit the definitions contained in ch. 140, 121.
    Source Link: http://www.lcav.org/states/massachus...itionMagazines

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    yeah, Ive seen that legislation before, just wasnt sure what else there was on the books. I wasnt holding my breath anyway. Living in cali I'm sure you know what i'm talking about unpecador when I say the laws on the books regarding this kinda thing are confusing lol. Just doing my best to follow these laws.

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    I don't find this particular law confusing, I mean the wording is pretty clear to me, it's the reasoning behind the law that I find confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unpecador View Post
    I don't find this particular law confusing, I mean the wording is pretty clear to me, it's the reasoning behind the law that I find confusing.
    I was referring to that being that there are so many laws here in MA I wasn't sure if that was the only one restricting hi cap mags, but jezz now we're just splitting hairs so forget it friend.

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    Okay...

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