PPK Safety Lever Issue
Sorry but i wanted to edit my thread but my browser deleted it so i will post it again.
I have a Walther PPK by Interarms in Virginia circa 1986. I have the following issue:
while firing the PPK the safety lever starts to creep backwards until it is in the full safe position. needless to say this is a huge problem. it takes about 4 rounds of ball ammo for this failure to occur.
i gave the gun to my gunsmith who sent it off to S&W for repair as he thought this was the best solution. he did not check the gun out and i was suprised when i called to check on the status of the repair that he had sent it to S&W.
a little background:
i purchased this gun used in what appeared to be in excellent condition. upon test firing at the range i noticed there was a failure to fire problem. when it was in single action and i pulled the trigger if i pulled lightly the hammer would go forward only half way. if i stopped the pull it would stay that way. if i continued the pull the gun would fire. a huge problem. so i sent the gun to S&W and they repaired it. i dry fired it and the problem was fixed. i did not get to go to the range until recently which is when i noticed the safety lever issue which did not present itself previously during live firing. the original problem presented itself during dry and live firing.
i am awaiting an answer from S&W where the gun is in transit to.
i am wondering if the safety lever issue is related to the first issue of the trigger and hammer half cocking problem.
it is possible that after getting the weapon back the first time that if i went to the range i would have seen the safety lever problem immediately after the first repair but it is an unknown.
sorry for the lenghtly thread but i wanted to be thorough. any suggestions regarding this problem are greatly appreciated.
Last edited by handgunner; 02-23-2008 at 06:48 PM.
Sounds like the spring that operates the safety detent and extractor is jammed. See parts 9, 10, & 11 in the figure below.
Thank you for the reply MLB.
i will definitely post what the fix is once S&W notifies me.
i spoke with repair at S&W the other day and i explained the issue. jake said as you said regarding the safety/elector spring. he said the fix is an easy one. will make the detent deeper and install a stronger spring.
Jake will know more when he tests fires it and inspects the PPK.
i hope there is nothing else that is ready to fail like other weaker springs, etc. as my confidence level is low regarding this being my EDC.
Btw, my cellphone browser will not allow me to reply with quote.
It's not a difficult handgun to dissassemble if you care to get the parts and do it yourself. A good bit of advice someone gave me once was to work inside a clear (gallon) plastic bag. Those springs and small parts that like to fly out of the gun while dissasembling are contained that way.
in the future i might work on my own guns as this would be most enjoyable.
i stayed clear of doing my own work due to a lack of knowledge to do so. but it is like when i got my first harley years back. i was used to working on my Suzuki but my attitude was i cant work on the harley. its not the same and more expensive. well after a few months i started to work on it myself and it was no big deal.
my other guns are a taurus .38 special revolver which i am pretty sure wont need any work in the near future and a Mossberg 500 12ga.
i have a question though. i install phone systems and work on my bikes so i know how important it is to have the right took for the right job. is there a tool kit specific for the PPK or is there a general took kit for semi autos that includes the tiny screwdrivers or pliers or whatever else i may need?
i know with the bikes, i got the general tools that are needed for repair then as time passes on and different repairs are needed you start to have a collection of specialty tools, extra fasteners, washers, grommets, lubricants, etc. Is having a gun repair kit similar in that you can have most of the generally needed tools then you will purchase some speciality tools so you can be prepared for whatever may need repair?
i hope repairs are not needed often though as i would not want to carry a gun that always needed repair.
i called S&W today and was told that my PPK was repaired and being shipped back today. great turn around time as it has been only 7 days from the time the gun was received to being shipped back.
i asked what repairs were made but they were not entered into the computer. i was told that warranty work is usually not entered. Paul said he would ask Jake who repaired the PPK and call me back regarding what work was done. I will post this info as soon as i know.
i explained i would like to know what the problem was regarding the safety issue. Whether it was worn safety lever detents, worn plunger, cracked safety, spring issues, etc.
Funny that you mention the motorcycle, as I've been slowly tinkering more with the Deuce as the years go by.
Aside from the right size screwdrivers, and punches, I haven't found the need for any specialty tools to take the side all the way down. I haven't totally disassembled the frame, just the hammer assembly and trigger guard. I can't recall if I had the trigger out or not.
I'm not sure, but I think the sear pin is press fit. I'm not a gunsmith, just interested in how it works.
I hear ya about the bike. as time goes by you realize that a harley is still just a bike in regards to not being intimidated to work on it. but as we know, a Harley Is A Harley and not JUST a bike
i spoke with S&W today and was told the following work was done:
1) The safety lever detent was made deeper.
2) The plunger was replaced.
3) The extractor/plunger spring was replaced.
hopefully this is the end to my PPK issues.
will let everyone know how it goes at the range when i receive my baby back
got my PPK back and guess what?.... S&W put a PPK/S Slide On My PPK!
the slide says Alexandria, Va. on it. the repair order says "replaced slide"
i am alittle ticked off and that is putting it mildly.
i gotta call S&W and my gunsmith. this is total BS. i hope they didnt chuck my original slide in the garbage. btw, S&W never sent my original case back either. they shipped my gun in a cardboard box.
my high opinion of S&W is changing rapidly from a 10 out of 10 to a zero.
The PPK/S slide is exactly the same slide as the PPK. It's the frame that is slightly different.
i understand what you say is true but:
Originally Posted by PanaDP
1) i have a PPK with a slide that said PPK and i would like my original gun back.
2) having a PPK/S slide on my PPK decreases the value of my gun.
3) it is just ridiculous that S&W would even do this.i am sure that the parts that are worn on my original slide can be repaired or replaced. in fact that is what i was originally told as is written in my previous post.
i hope they did not chuck my slide in the garbage!
PanaDP is right, but I'd be upset too. It does make it look like a parts gun if the slide is marked incorrectly.
A replacement ppk slide would likely be marked Smith & Wesson though. I'm surprised that you got one marked Alexandria, VA (Interarms.)
i called S&W today and they put priority notations on my account and emailed a prepaid return shipping label. the guy is speaking to the guy that repaired the gun and apologized for this error.
If the original slide is not repairable, i definitely dont want a S&W slide. i will be speaking with paul to see what is going on. he said that there is a priority on this so i wont have to wait the usual ten day turn around. hopefully my gunsmith wont charge me a transaction fee. they feel bad regarding this situation.
Btw, I told paul about my case not being sent to me either. he is checking into that also. my S&W satisfaction rating is slowly rising lol!
Did you even get your original gun back? Check serial #. I'd be hoping this was a shipping error.
To submoa, i previously checked the serial number and it is the same.
Originally Posted by submoa
i hope they find my original slide and they are able to repair it. one of the reasons i would like my original slide is because the gun and slide were broken in together which may enable the gun to work more smoothly than if a new slide is put on. this is just my thought and i dont know if it is a valid one.
if they do have to replace the slide, i would assume that as long it is an Interarms PPK slide the value of the gun should not decrease.am i correct to assume this?
i will have more info when i speak with S&W. just have to get my smith to send the gun back to S&W.
this sucks though as i send a PPK for repair and it comes back missing my original slide and my original case.
i appreciate warranty work being done at no charge but i expect competent work to be done and care to be taken in repairing my PPK regarding the parts and my case.
I think your comments regarding the original slide and frame (being broken in together) are valid.
Regarding the Interarms ppk slide; I do recall that due to the 1968 gun control law, the ppk could no longer be imported into the United States. This was the main reason for Walther developing the ppk/s (taller frame). It wasn't available (new) here until a few years ago when S&W started manufacturing it (as a domestic product, which obviously makes it less dangerous ). My point is, I believe Interarms started it's business in the 1950's, and wonder how many Interarms marked ppk slides are available.
Hope it all goes well in the end though.
What you say is very true of course. but when Interarms of Virginia got licensing rights from Walther, they were able to produce the PPK because the import restrictions no longer applied since the PPK's were now being manufactured in the USA.
Originally Posted by MLB
i dont know what the production years for the PPK's manufactured by Interarms in the USA were though.
I see. I wasn't aware that Interarms manufactured any of them. I though that they were just the importer for German made PPK's.
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