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    Quote Originally Posted by PanaDP View Post
    Brazil is a modern industrial nation and probably has a lot more pride in their production than the US does today.
    Is this to say that Brazil can compete with the US in manufacturing very high-quality goods? No country can claim that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    Is this to say that Brazil can compete with the US in manufacturing very high-quality goods? No country can claim that.
    No country can do that?

    How about Germany? Switzerland? The Nordic countries. The list goes on. I am a patriot. But we don't have a magic monopoly on high quality production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    Is this to say that Brazil can compete with the US in manufacturing very high-quality goods? No country can claim that.
    I understand being full of patriotism but that statement is just ignorant. What about Japan, the country that has pushed forward digital electronics quite a bit faster than us? How about Germany's legendary mechanical instruments and automobiles? Swiss watches?

    I work in the movie industry and film cameras are one of the more beautiful and intricate pieces of mechanical machinery I know of. A new one costs between 50 and 100 thousand dollars, and that is only for the body. There are three countries with a manufacturer of motion picture cameras, only the smallest one is American. The others are French and German.

    Learn a little bit about the world past your borders. You'll be a better American and person for it.

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    Ok, I shall clarify. No one would claim that other countries don't produce high-quality products that don't in fact compete with American products on the world market. I like Walther pistols, which are certainly not American (well the P99 anyway).

    I am also not ignorant. I am an engineer and I work with nuclear power. The US leads the way in the advancement of nuclear power, although the France and Japan (AREVA and Toshiba) are very good as well. When I hear stuff like "The US can't build things as well as this country," I just have to say something. We can build as well as anyone. Naturally, all US companies don't turn out the best guns, optics, etc. in the world, but it is not due to a lack of capability.

    Consider Intel, AMD, Microsoft, Apple, and Google. Highly profitable companies which are on the cutting edge - and American. Also consider the jets, tanks, ships and so on used by the US military.

    So, yes, other countries compete with ours in the global market, but Americans can certainly be proud that we are in no way limited in our capabilities.

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    german engineering is propaganda

    i work in an automotive repair shop and i can tell you that half the german cars must have been engineered in the midst of octoberfest. I wouldn't touch a VW or Audi product with a ten foot pole. for the percentage of autos on the road we see a ton of german engineered cars come in for repair compared to probably any other country of origin. american manufacturing and design is quite good. people tend to glorify things that are imported no matter what country they are from. when i lived in venezuela american products were highly sought after. but in america we seem to downgrade our own products. and if you want to talk outright technology nasa and the U.S. armed forces are lightyears ahead of anything else.

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    no

    My 617 blew up in my hand. I will never own one again.

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    I have two PT1911. I would trust my life to either of them. Sure Taurus has had some ...not so great history but they are stepping up here lately.

    There was a time in the not so distant past that trusting your life to a S&W autoloader was not the wisest thing to do. Things change.

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    I have 4 taurus guns. A 608, M 44, 24/7 40cal, and a 444multi. And they all work fine for me. Although I havent put much rounds through them. They all the others go bang when i pull the trigger each time.
    I dunno, I think half of the negative hearsay & rumors are probably from folks who are just passing a long gossip. True enough I'm sure there are a lot of folks who have bad expiriences with their guns. But bad news travels way hell faster than good.
    I remember back in the late 90s, there was a photo floating around on the older now non-existent gunforums of a glock with a busted chamber ("kaboom") and all it took was for one guy to say his glock jammed when it happened. Man it must have been hundreds of guys popping up out ofthe blue saying glcks jam, they are crap, mine blew up, a buddy of mines gun fell apart, its plastic crap blah blah blah. Pretty much a blabber bandwagon it was.
    Who knows why that gun did that, overpowered hand load,obstructed chamber,etc.

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    I do not own a Taurus, but my father-in-law just picked up a PT-111 and I went with him to break it in Friday. It was pretty accurate right out of the box and performed without a hitch. From what I can tell it appears to be a well made, good performing gun. My local dealer was carrying the Taurus 24/7 when I was in there the other day and he is a retired 30 yr SWAT member and trainer. He owns a gun shop and can carry any gun and, at least for that day, trusted his life to the Taurus.

    Secondly, just because a gun is not made here does not make it inferior. I would put the Glock up against any pistol made for reliability (the true requirement for SD guns) and it is made in Austria. I also have a Kahr, which is made here, and a Rossi .357 (made in Brazil) that I have had for over 10 years. I would trust my life to any of my handguns and only one of the three are made in the USA. The Rossi is just as accurate and more comfortable in my hand as any of the Smiths (my dad has 3). He actually just sent his $800 scandium j-frame back to S&W for a rebuild because the frame cracked causing him to take shrapnel in the face. The S&W is a great gun, but any gun can have problems no matter where it is made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vernpriest View Post
    The S&W is a great gun, but any gun can have problems no matter where it is made.
    I think you hit it right on the nose there. It's just like anything else. People always ask me if certain car makes and/or models are more reliable than the others, and although there are some that are COMMONLY more reliable than the others, my answer is always "it depends on the car itself." That's usually the case. You either get a good one or a not so good one and although some makes/models are more likely to be not so good, that doesn't go for all.

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    Range it.

    If you've put a 1000 rounds through it with no fail to fires or fail to ejects, call it reliable.

    I have put almost 900 rounds through my 9mm mil without a hitch. So yes, I trust my life and will protect my family with one.

    On a side note, has anyone used a Judge, 45lc/.410? do they like it. Lookin' for a good "stop a carjacking" gun.

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    would i trust my life to my taurus? no i would trust my life to my brain, a gun doesnt have judgement, knowledge or understanding of world around it. so how can you trust a thing? would count on this weapon if i were in need of using it to save my or other peoples lifes? yes without a question. the weapon has worked much better then the m-16 i was given in the army.

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    Yes....I trust my life to every gun I own....because I know they all operate properly and have been well taken care of.

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    Yup, I do.


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    My 605 failed yesterday. I have only had it for a couple months, but it was made in 1995. It failed while my buddy was shooting 357's thru it. The cylinder would not release and the hammer would not cock when pulling the trigger, I took it apart and got everything working. I then fired 5 38's thru it. I think I'm going to trade it off and look for someting else for CCW.

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    Would yoy trust your life with s Taurus?

    YES! I own two, a PT92 and a 66, have had no problem with either after many,many rounds. Concerning the knock on Brazil, I feel they make great guns and they have great law enforcement laws. If a person is ordered by a cop to halt,and he does not, he can and will be shot,armed or unarmed. Just last month in Cleveland a cop was killed while chasing a guy on foot,the guy turned and shot the cop just below the vest. I beleive brazil's law would save a lot of cop's lives !

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    Angry Well I'm not very, happy with mine....

    i just bought a PT145 Millennium Pro, and I am kicking myself for it. The first box of shells through it included one jam for every three shots. Some jams were the round sticking at the bottom of the ramp, some were the new round trying to load into the spent round before it ejected.

    I tried Federal, Blazer, Winchester and PMC. All with th same outcome.

    But the end result was that not five rounds cold be fired without a jam. I had re-cock to fire several times.... I am un-flippin' happy!

    When I called Taurus, "Frank" told me to send him a magazine for testing before I even finished telling him what was going on. He didn't give me any reference numbers to provide, and said no explanation needed to be sent with the mag.

    Has anyone dealt with Taurus on repair issues, I sold my 1911 to buy the PT145 because the 1911 commander was uncomfortable to CC. I'm thinking big mistake at this point. Any suggestions???


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    I know Taurus CS is about the worst out there which I think leads to some of their reputation problems. I have shot the PT111 and it appears to be a pretty good gun, although I don't care for the sights. The 24/7 and the new PT1911 are supposed to be very good guns. I think they are what they are, economically priced guns made for nominal amounts of shooting. I would trust one with my life if I could put over 500 rounds through it with no problems.

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    I carry Daily a Taurus 617SS.

    Never had any problems with it. The fit an finish weren't the greatest. But I have 1500+ rounds through it with ZERO problems. Everything from hot 158GR .357's to WWB .38.

    Every time I have pulled the trigger it went bang. I did have some problems with some Blazer aluminum cased .357 ammo. (Failure to eject) But the situation was rectified by blazer.

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    Here we go again. Taurus pistols are manufactured in international rated and accepted plants. Like any thing mechanical there is occasionally a bad one. I do think they need to hire some one to clean up the cs reputation. Do I trust my PT111 and PT140? Every day now. I also own an XD45 which I carry when size is not a problem. I shoot almost every week at an LE academy range. It is full of glocks, sigs and hks. None perform better than my Taurus.

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