taurus only lasting 1 year
I was speaking to 2 people from where I am going to go and get retrained at the range I will be using both guys tell me the more you use them they only last 1 year, also told that the less you use them the longer they last???????
Typical Taurus haters. Bunch of crap! I've owned several over the years and have no complaints. I currently carry a PT 740 slim. She's not fun to shoot, but has given me no trouble at all. Also have a Millenium G2 which I really enjoy shooting and is well suited to concealed carry.
Originally Posted by hud35500
Lets be honest.. There are people who like Taurus, and probably MORE people who hate them. They are a cheap gun - the quality of the company is not apparently very good. Not all of them are junk. I'm not saying that... But when you see story after story of events that just defy logic... Stories of the trouble so many Taurus owners have had - it's just so ridiculous. Taurus does seem to have such a high percentage of lemon stories/lemons... I've been a gun owner since I've turned 21 in 1993... I've been on countless gun forums and run a few... I know my way around handguns...
I will tell anyone... Don't get a Taurus... If I was given one tomorrow, I wouldn't keep it...
Now, Taurus fans will dismiss such comments as "haters," no matter how many horrendous Taurus stories get posted. Their answer is that the person is either lying (which, you usually don't see this accusation when someone complains about any OTHER brand) - or the claim is that people are only reporting the negative comments, and not the positive stories.
I have a sticky at the top of the Taurus section that makes it abundantly clear my feelings about the matter. So, most people here know my opinion of Taurus.
That being said - even the biggest Taurus fans have to admit that NO police department uses Taurus for their carries guns. Go ask ANY police officer... I am going out on a limb here, admittedly. But I would be amazed if you could find ONE, single police officer in the united states who will say - "I wish my department would switch to Taurus." Not a CHL owner who does use their gun for what might happen... Not some private security guard who is forced to buy his own gun, and a Taurus is all he could afford (but would take a better gun in a heartbeat if they could afford it)- but a professional who needs their gun in the career field and gets issued their gun by some larger agency...
Many officers wish they could carry their fav Sig, or Beretta, or 1911, or CZ or FN or whatever... For rigid departments, they are stuck with what they are allowed to carry... And, a lot of officers WISH they could carry "X" brand of gun. I would venture to say NO ONE picks Taurus. Even on these types of threads, when this topic comes up, the Taurus fans usually pick some other brand (if they are not paying or it in this hypothetical scenario)
Taurus handguns are not handed out in the military, police depts, federal agencies, professional/private security firms that have ex military guys... etc... There IS a reason.
Now, Lisa is not any of these... Where oh where is Shipwreck going with this nonsense, ya might ask? What does this have to do with anything? I am just trying to point out that Taurus quality is suspect at best....
Now - I have helped Lisa a bit in the past, with some issues she has had. That being said - she DOES own a Taurus... What's done is done. It is the gun that is purchased and the one she does own. There were several factors involved in why she chose it, and I won't bring them up publicly unless she does. It serves no purpose for me to drone on and on any longer about my opinion of Taurus and not offer her any assistance at this point... I won't do that to her... I've rattled on enough
Since you own the gun already, Lisa... I'd just enjoy it and shoot it. It may or may not hold up over time. You will find out. But now that you have it, if it works 100% for you - just go shoot it and get your practice. On a gun of any other brand, I would say it is very doubtful that you would wear out any handgun unless you are shooting thousands upon thousands of rounds.
Make sure to change the recoil spring periodically... I do not know the maintenance schedule of the Taurus you have... But, if it were me, I'd get a new recoil spring every 2000 rounds... Doing so could make your Taurus last longer.
If the gun doesn't work 100% - contact Taurus and demand that they make it right. Don't let them talk you into paying shipping in such a circumstance either. UPS and Fedex make you ship handguns next day... costing $50-$100 typically, depending on the size of the box and the value of the gun (for insurance). It's not law that requires next day shipping - but the silly companies themselves (company policy). What IS against the law is to ship a handgun and declare it as something else, to get around the next day shipping. That' offered as a bright idea by someone on various gun forums, despite that fact.
Anyway - don't mean to put the horse before the cart... But, just giving you the added info about what to do IF you did have a problem. But, like i said... if it works fine - just go shoot and enjoy the gun... I don't meant to be a spoil sport for ya...
Sorry to be a killjoy - I just felt all that had to be said...
I've been around and shooting firearms for over 45 yrs. I have plenty of friends who have been at it just as long as me. I've owned a Taurus or two in the past and sold them for one reason or another. I had a 2" model 85 at one time, that I sent back to Taurus to have ported and the trigger gone over. It shot very well and it was as smooth as any S&W I've shot.
I made the mistake of letting a friend of mine shoot it. He liked it so well, that he offered me money that I simply couldn't resist. I know the ole saying........"Friends don't let friends buy a Taurus". But, in my defense, he was more of an acquaintance than a friend.
But, back to my point. I spend my money to buy quality firearms. I like knowing that sometime in the future, if I should decide to sell one or two, or more, odds will be in my favor that I'll get all of my money back if not more.
When you buy a Taurus, it'll never be worth more than the moment you pay for it.
Ever been to Brazil Shipwreck? The Police and the Military both use Taurus firearms. Special forces teams to. I will grant you that they may not be the same level as US depts, but they beat the crap out of the firearms, far more than we do. You don't say if you've ever owned a Taurus. What's your experience with them? They have made huge advances in QA in the last few years. As always, I'm just looking for some spirited debate!!
Have owned 2 semi's both were crap. After free repairs I did however sell one at a profit. Have a friend (Not an acquaintance) that carried a Taurus Beretta 92 copy for 15 years before selling it to another officer and retiring. These both were Police Officers, sworn Texas Peace Officers, who like most in Texas may purchase what they want to carry. I put a bunch of rounds downrange in that gun myself and enjoyed it. Taurus is getting better, but they are not there, yet. I have a Rossi revolver I'm trying to break right now. Not having much luck though. Seems like a nice gun.
Originally Posted by hud35500
I wouldn't put much stock in the fact that Brazil's police and military use Taurus firearms. They're about as corrupt as Taurus is second rate. Besides, I would be shocked if they used anything but Taurus.
But, you are right to some degree. Taurus is better and has improved over the last 10-15 yrs. or so. But, they are still a good solid second-rate firearms company. I also realize that some people don't have $1000.00 to throw at a handgun, or aren't all that interested in how much it may be worth years down the road. I do my best to bear that in mind, but I do tend to forget from time to time.
Postings such as this brings it all back home to me and makes me come back down to earth.......no matter how temporary it might be.
Consumer Reports Magazine frequently states that Mitsubishi automobiles are generally less reliable than most other makes.
Nevertheless, I am driving a 1985 Mitsubishi Montero, purchased new, that has given me very good service—and continues to. Yes, it has needed major repair; but it has needed such attention about as infrequently as my wife's 1991 Toyota sedan that CR called "extremely reliable." (The Montero's engine and clutch were rebuilt "from bare bones" last year, at about 130,000 miles. My wife's car is just now coming due for the same treatment.)
My point is that, while Taurus still suffers from poor quality control, it is still quite possible—probably at least half of the time—to buy a perfectly satisfactory Taurus pistol.
Thus, one of those satisfied purchasers will find it very difficult to believe that your own gun was ill-assembled from badly-fitting, poorly-finished parts, and will not successfully shoot off a full-magazine's-worth of cartridges. After all, "My pistol is properly made and finished, and it works exactly as it's supposed to. So you must be doing something wrong."
There is a further consideration: Psychology. Once you have decided upon, and purchased, the gun of your choice, you are psychologically "invested" in the choice and purchase that you made.
Thus, when someone else denigrates a pistol like yours, or even the entire brand's line of guns, your psychological investment causes you to rise up in its defense. Sometimes that defense is pretty irrational, but nevertheless it is always aggressive. After all, the issue has become personal.
I suggest that when you read a whole body of evidence volunteered by other owners that proves that, well, Taurus pistols are, as often as not, unreliable and disaster-prone, the mere fact that your own Taurus pistol is a sterling example of the pistol-maker's art does not refute that other fact.
Statistics are against you: If 1,000,000 horseflies eat excrement and call it delicious and nutritious, that is not a predictor that, having tried their diet, you will agree with them.
Originally Posted by hud35500
Yes, I am well aware that Taurus is used in Brazil. It is a Brazilian company, after all... There would be pressure on them to make use of product made in their own country. Still doesn't change my opinion.
Originally Posted by paratrooper
I also am not going to debate it to infinity. I've gone into an extremely lengthy post with my point of view up above. I also have a sticky at the top of the Taurus section. The Taurus fans will always defend the brand no matter what is said. Buy what you want. it is a free country. But if finances is NOT a major factor - then choosing a Taurus over something else doesn't make any sense, IMHO. All there is to say.
I hear ya...
Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1
I did state above that not all the guns Taurus make are problem guns. But man... Just the stories that pop up. Wow... That kind of customer service some people have to deal with would eliminate them from my consideration even if it WAS any other brand we are talking about. I've seen enough horrendous customer treatment to scratch them off my list. Hypothetically... If it were Ed Brown or Wilson or some other high end company... with these stories that get reported time after time after time... Never mind the suspect quality - I wouldn't buy from them for that reason alone...
I have owned a Taurus once - in the early 1990s. Had to send it back to get it to work. So yes, I was once a Taurus owner, when I was a gun newbie. However, the argument that one must have owned a Taurus to have the right to not like them makes no sense. It's an argument I see quite a lot...
Going back to Lisa's question, a Taurus should be good for many thousands of rounds. At today's prices, that's quite a few years for most folks. I follow the TaurusArmed site. Many "problems" are discussed there. But with the exception of cylinder face erosion on .357 revolvers (esp titanium models) I don't recall any discussion about Taurus guns wearing out, On he other hand there are lots of complaints about guns that don't work right, either out of the box or after a hundred rounds or so -- called infant mortality usually.
So, if your Taurus works right, do the recommended maintenance and don't worry about it. If it doesn't, send it to Miami until they fix it right.
Shipwreck seems compelled to comment on a brand he hasn't owned in decades, but he's not all wrong. I have a Taurus revolver, a Ruger pistol, and a CZ pistol that have always been 100%. But I also have a sub compact Taurus pistol that went to Miami twice followed by some DIY gunsmithing before it was right.
Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1
My younger brother owns a Montero. It's an '86 I believe. Anyways, he swears by it and plans on doing some serious updating to it in the near future. It has approx. 245K miles on it, and it still runs rather well.
He bought a new Honda RidgeLine in 2008. The dealer offered him a good trade-in price for the Montero. He declined and kept it as his back-up vehicle.
I want to call attention to the last part of what I wrote today, so I'm quoting myself here.
The comments which followed my rant seemed to ignore these quite important points, so I repeat them here.
Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1
I have to make others on this knows that you were of a lot of help and yes it is already done, and I will look for another gun but this time have the chance to try it out where as this one I could only try it a few times, this person permitted me to do so.
I figured out that he picked out handguns that would fit me being new in owning a handgun and just starting out, it was told to me by two guys at the range I will be going to a couple of things the first one being a retired police, so that there tells me and I did ask what he thought of this brand and he did not like them, just like you.
as for the person he turned me over too will train me over again also talked around that question. now he explained to me the real reason he was asked to work with me because he is not a member of I think it is the NRA I could have the letters wrong about with all their rules some male trainers do not like to train females, so that is the real reason I was passed on, now unless I had already been shooting and just needed some help the first guy from the range would have taken me on, guess he did not think I would take it well if he told me the truth.
now getting back to the model which is a tauras 92 I also asked the people at the range why one gets trained on a 22 rather the gun I will be using, they do not understand that it makes more sense to train a person with the gun they are going to be using, I was told that 22 are cheaper in ammo and that is the reason plus the recoil, I had a harder timer shooting the 22 then when I did shoot the gun I will be using, the guy I first went to not from this place did not do much but said I was at 85% range in my shooting, I need hands on, so I am getting trained all over again because I do not feel good about going to the range myself which told me I needed to find someone else and they asked me a few things to see where I was at in does and do not was not shown how to take the gun apart which became a problem when he showed me 2 times with him doing it, then I did try and had trouble loaded dry caps etc go better with that but with the second person training me I will get everything I need to start and I can not wait and at this range they rent handguns for people to try this will be a good way for me to find a second gun when it comes down to itCK
AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT SHIPWREK WAS A BIG HELP! AND WOULD LIKE TO THANK HIM AGAIN, and for him to please e-mail private when you get the chance.
I have ten Taurus® revolvers.
• Mdl 85B2CH 38 Special - 1994
• Mdl 669SS4CP 357 Magnum - 1996
• Mdl 85B2 38 Special - 1997
• Mdl 617SS2 357 Magnum - 2003
• Mdl 605SS3 357 Magnum - 2006
• Mdl 85SS2UL 38 Special - 2007
• Mdl 605SS2 357 Magnum - 2010
• Mdl 425SS4 41 Magnum - 2012
• Mdl 605SS2 357 Magnum - 2012
• Mdl 85SS2UL 38 Special - 2012
All have performed superbly and I continue to shoot them all almost every week.
I have only encountered these problems.........
• Mdl 85B2CH broke a firing pin (part# 19) after 11,000+ rounds. I replaced the firing pin & it's still going strong.
• Mdl 85SS2UL had the cylinder stop (part# 44) wear down after 10,000 rounds. Called Taurus® and they shipped the part right away. Installed new cylinder stop and now the gun works fine.
I have zero complaints with Taurus® customer service. The times I had to send a gun in they fixed and returned it when they said they would. Specifically.....................
• Mdl 617 developed excessive cylinder to forcing cone gap (.011") after almost 6,000 rounds. I sent it to Taurus® and they replaced the cylinder (part# 8) and adjusted the yoke (part# 9) I've since put 3,000+ rounds through it and it's still going strong.
• Mdl 605 had cylinder (failure to advance) problem. Taurus® deemed the gun to be unrepairable and via FedEx® sent me a brand new gun.
I will not hesitate to buy additional Taurus® revolvers. They are an outstanding value.
Here is a wealth of Taurus® information..........
• Taurus Firearms Forum - TaurusArmed.net
The owner of Taurus lives in South Florida. At a local gun shop down here in Broward County where I go to buy ammo and fire arms, the owner of the store told me that the guy who owns Taurus carries a Glock. Just saying.....
That's absolutely wonderful!
Originally Posted by schyfy
I think that speaks volumes for anyone considering a Taurus as a "self defense weapon" lol
I've had my PT1911 for over 5 years now, several thousands of rounds, no issues, zero malfunctions. I know several Taurus owners that have their guns for even longer and no problems either.
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