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      Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
      Just curious, you have PA listed as your location...

      Where do you fish in PA that you need to worry about snakes? I don't recall PA having an indigenous poisonous snake population.

      Now if your fishing in the south or west etc I can see rattlers, copperheads, etc.

      But that being said, they do make snake shot for a variety of different calibers and they seem to work quite well.
      Tons of Copperheads and Timber Rattlers in my area. It is also the prime hunting ground in the U.S. for the Massasauga Rattlesnake.
      http://fishandboat.com/anglerboater/...b/08play04.pdf

      And you are correct, not nearly the problem as the southern swamps.

      I have & use snake shot in my Ruger .357.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RONWEN View Post
      ...[D]on't think of "using the gun as a club" as a baseball style swing but rather as they teach in military hand-to-hand combat...
      Any contact between the bad guy and your firearm is really bad tactics.
      If he grabs the muzzle end of a shotgun's barrel, he can move (it or himself) to avoid the fired charge—and he can use the leverage of the gun's barrel to disarm you.


      Quote Originally Posted by RONWEN View Post
      In your real life scenario your potential intruder would no doubt have left in an even bigger hurry if you were wielding a 12ga. pump shotgun instead of a hidden pistol in your pocket.
      You are joking, right?
      I don't routinely grab our shotgun, when I go to answer the door. That might be misconstrued by the United Way Volunteer or the Jehova's Witnesses.
      That's why I always carry a concealed pistol.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
      Any contact between the bad guy and your firearm is really bad tactics.
      If he grabs the muzzle end of a shotgun's barrel, he can move (it or himself) to avoid the fired charge—and he can use the leverage of the gun's barrel to disarm you.

      You are joking, right?
      I don't routinely grab our shotgun, when I go to answer the door. That might be misconstrued by the United Way Volunteer or the Jehova's Witnesses.
      That's why I always carry a concealed pistol.

      Exactly the point made by PSP -- it's far easier to turn the muzzle of a handgun on the homeowner (in a struggle) than a long gun.

      I take your point of capping before the intruder is close enough to grab the weapon although I'm sure you can understand my reluctance to take your advice in this area (you have strong opinions but little real experience -- 20 years ago as a volunteer!) vs. my very good PSP friends & neighbors that have many, many years of real life experience and training on this subject. Not even a close race here.
      It seems you have a hammer & are looking for a nail.

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      Thanks to everyone.

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      Personally, I am not going to be walking around the house(small) with a shotgun, in the dark of night........too long of a weapon....too many things to bump into....too long to make fast moves........too much damage can occur.....I'll take my chances with a handgun, everytime.....

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      My 870 is my sd weapon

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      Quote Originally Posted by JMessmer View Post
      My 870 is my sd weapon
      Way back when I was an engineer buying machine tools for our company we toured the Remington plant where the 870's were completely machined on state of the art machining centers -- I can't recall numbers but at that time there were more 870's sold than any other pump (or automatic).

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