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    i forgot to mention that I think the S&W is also not worth much at all
    I think any 410/45 should have a long barrel to get the powder to burn for more energy
    a 2 and 3" or even 4" just isn't getting any energy that it is capable of
    hey maybe a Buntline barrel is what is needed

    i have read and heard on the TV gun shows that submachine guns, PDW weapons etc etc - heck even the Ruger Charger all have 10" barrels to get all the powder to burn.
    10" is what it takes!
    (that's what she said)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Yup. In spades.


    ...So that's at least two of us.
    Three.

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    So why do you think these guns can't do the job of personal defense?

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    For a pretty complete answer, go to The Box o' Truth: The Box O' Truth #53 - The Taurus Judge, Revisited - Page 1

    I am not convinced that a .410 load of any kind is an effective and certain fight stopper.
    And if you want to use the .45 "Long" Colt round, why not buy a pistol that's dedicated to it. It'll be more efficient and effective than either the Judge or the Governor, and also more accurate.
    It'll also be smaller, and maybe lighter too.

    The Governor also accepts the .45 ACP, but that's pretty directly equivalent, ballistically, to .45 "Long" Colt.
    And the semi-auto round is shorter yet, so it'd be even less accurate (due to the cylinder's long freebore).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    For a pretty complete answer, go to The Box o' Truth: The Box O' Truth #53 - The Taurus Judge, Revisited - Page 1

    I am not convinced that a .410 load of any kind is an effective and certain fight stopper.
    And if you want to use the .45 "Long" Colt round, why not buy a pistol that's dedicated to it. It'll be more efficient and effective than either the Judge or the Governor, and also more accurate.
    It'll also be smaller, and maybe lighter too.

    The Governor also accepts the .45 ACP, but that's pretty directly equivalent, ballistically, to .45 "Long" Colt.
    And the semi-auto round is shorter yet, so it'd be even less accurate (due to the cylinder's long freebore).
    Well, I would not want either of these revolvers myself, but the concept seems pretty sound. I agree that the .410 is not a power house, but with a "buckshot" load up close, I would think it would put a hurtin' on the bad guy. I think the gun is not quite a shotgun and not quite a revolver. JMHO.

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    after reading box of truth on the judge review and then they used a shotgun in .410 I am finally convinced that for
    the .410 the shotgun is the only answer.
    so out with the judge and in with the mossburg 500 cruiser in .410

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    after reading box of truth on the judge review and then they used a shotgun in .410 I am finally convinced that for
    the .410 the shotgun is the only answer.
    so out with the judge and in with the mossburg 500 cruiser in .410
    Yes, the link to "Box o' Truth" was informative, thank you Steve.

    I can't add much to "that". But, of course I will.

    I will say I hunted ducks, grouse, and pheasants from age six until thirteen with the cheap "classic kid gun" single-shot .410 still in my gun safe.
    #2's for ducks, #6's for upland. An Iver-Johnson Champion. Gathered a lot of table food. You had better "Shoot Quick". And it WILL kill.

    Then, a cheap ($92 mail-order) Win. Model 12. 30 inch full-choke barrel in 12 gauge. You had better wait a while if you wanted to eat the bird.
    Anybody who has ever bird-hunted knows they are easy to bring down with minimal bird-shot "hits". If the gun doesn't kill 'em, the fall from a wing fold will. Usually.

    The shotgun standing "handy" to my bed is a plain-Jane Mossberg 500 short barrel with cylinder "choke" eight-shot.
    There is a reason I bought a 12 gauge instead of a .410. Or even a 20 gauge. No reason to skimp if a SHTF ever happens.
    And no, I don't give up the 8th shot so I can "pump the action and scare off any bad guys". That is just terminally stupid BS. YMMV.

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    I personally know a guy who was shot TWICE with a Taurus Judge. I also know the guy who shot him. Both are alive and well today. That tells me all I need to know about the effectiveness of the Judge. Nuff said ?

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    any 380 or 9mm , 45 ,40, 357,38, any high power gun is good

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    does anyone have any knowledge on the 650CIA or 651Protector models.I am wanting snubby in .357/38spl with shrouded or concealed hammer for carry.The price of these 2 models are real attractive for me.I want to know about potential problems with these models.

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    what are the best guns taurus makes?
    Other people's.

    I own a 85 UL. Yes, it's functional. No, it hasn't had any failures. I do wish I'd spent the additional $80-$100 for a S&W. The Taurus was just not very nicely executed. Looking at the detail work, it's like the machinist just didn't give a crap. Heck, my 20+ year old Charter Arms Undercover is nothing fancy, however, the overall attention to detail is much better & the DA trigger pull is light years better. FWIW, the Taurus does "look" better though. Generally unsatisfying is about the best way to describe mine.

    It's disappointing because, Taurus makes some very appealing looking guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdbrain View Post
    any 380 or 9mm , 45 ,40, 357,38, any high power gun is good
    over penetration in an apartment or mobile home is my concern

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    I don't know how Taurus is still out there! Not only do they have so many problems with most of there guns, but there prices are really getting crazy. I still do own 3 Taurus guns a 92 made in 2003, a 627 .357 tracker 2005 and a Rossi 357 I once owned and now reown (long tale) All work as they should. All my others that gave me problems are down the road. So I was looking for a small .38 to summer carry and was looking at Taurus as a guy I work with has a lightweight 85, so I priced one $325.00! Screw that I found a new S&W 638 for $364.00 and let me tell you the smith blows the Taurus away everywhere! Most all the reviews you read about Taurus all say there good, but my last dealings with Taurus was really bad.

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    PT92 is excellent. Their 1911 is also excellent. Most of the one's knocking them never owned one. SNOBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbird1 View Post
    Most of the one's knocking them never owned one. SNOBS.
    No one says EVERY Taurus is garbage - but too many are. Anyone says that, and they get called "Snobs" by the Taurus fans...

    Glad your gun works and you are happy with it. But, their quality is pretty spotty

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    I don't know as much as I'd like to about handguns yet, but when I am glancing over the consignment and used guns shelves while waiting for my range time, I see a lot of Taurus (maybe 7 to 1) in all shapes and sizes when compared to everything else. That makes me think there's something to this "cheap at any price" idea. When I see the same .357 Taurus for weeks next to an SP101 in .357 that is gone in a day, makes me wonder if the mumblings I hear are right. I am not in a financial position to be able to risk being wrong about a firearm. I'll spend the extra to be sure. With only 2 guns having 1 be less than reliable takes me to 50% unarmed. Maybe when my ping-pong balls come in and I have the chance and cash to own more than I can carry at one time I'll be willing to try something else. For now I'll stick with what I already know works for me. So far that's Ruger and Beretta.

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    I believe a lot of the negative feedback about Taurus firearms relates to their history of quality control, which in the past was obviously spotty to say the least. However, current Taurus products have very good quality. Most who have forgiven Taurus' past reputation have since been very pleased with Taurus products. I for one, have been very pleased with a Taurus PT709 Slim that I had purchased in early 2010, and have since put over 2,500 rounds through the gun without any malfuction. The only rounds that were a problem for my Taurus were some old, damp and dirty Winchester fmj's that I found laying in the trunk of my friends car. Of course, that was an ammo problem, not a firearm problem. Everything else has been flawless. Unfortunately for Taurus, the firearm community can be very unforgiving, (and rightfully so). I personally believe that the new Taurus products are everybit as good quality as current American & European firearms.

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    I had a Taurus PT-92 AF in the 90's. Thing ran great, although I never pushed it that hard. However, with all the quality control and customer service complaints, Taurus won't be seeing my business any time soon.

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    Small western rattlers? I spent a lot of time in eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington and I have seen rattlers that stretched from the centerline of the road to the edge of the road and they were the norm, not the exception.

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    I have 2 Taurus revolvers; a Model 94, .22, and a Raging Bull .454 Casull. Both are excellent and have never had a problem. So as has been said; I will enjoy my Taurus'. Incidentally I have other revolvers as well, never had a problem with any of them. Sometimes it's a matter of maintaining your guns.
    Obviously I don't have any Taurus semis, not for any other reason other than haven't found one that tickled my fancy yet!

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