Originally Posted by hideit

after reading box of truth on the judge review and then they used a shotgun in .410 I am finally convinced that for
the .410 the shotgun is the only answer.
so out with the judge and in with the mossburg 500 cruiser in .410

Yes, the link to "Box o' Truth" was informative, thank you Steve.

I can't add much to "that". But, of course I will.

I will say I hunted ducks, grouse, and pheasants from age six until thirteen with the cheap "classic kid gun" single-shot .410 still in my gun safe.
#2's for ducks, #6's for upland. An Iver-Johnson Champion. Gathered a lot of table food. You had better "Shoot Quick". And it WILL kill.

Then, a cheap ($92 mail-order) Win. Model 12. 30 inch full-choke barrel in 12 gauge. You had better wait a while if you wanted to eat the bird.
Anybody who has ever bird-hunted knows they are easy to bring down with minimal bird-shot "hits". If the gun doesn't kill 'em, the fall from a wing fold will. Usually.

The shotgun standing "handy" to my bed is a plain-Jane Mossberg 500 short barrel with cylinder "choke" eight-shot.
There is a reason I bought a 12 gauge instead of a .410. Or even a 20 gauge. No reason to skimp if a SHTF ever happens.
And no, I don't give up the 8th shot so I can "pump the action and scare off any bad guys". That is just terminally stupid BS. YMMV.

I personally know a guy who was shot TWICE with a Taurus Judge. I also know the guy who shot him. Both are alive and well today. That tells me all I need to know about the effectiveness of the Judge. Nuff said ?

any 380 or 9mm , 45 ,40, 357,38, any high power gun is good

does anyone have any knowledge on the 650CIA or 651Protector models.I am wanting snubby in .357/38spl with shrouded or concealed hammer for carry.The price of these 2 models are real attractive for me.I want to know about potential problems with these models.

what are the best guns taurus makes?

Other people's.

I own a 85 UL. Yes, it's functional. No, it hasn't had any failures. I do wish I'd spent the additional $80-$100 for a S&W. The Taurus was just not very nicely executed. Looking at the detail work, it's like the machinist just didn't give a crap. Heck, my 20+ year old Charter Arms Undercover is nothing fancy, however, the overall attention to detail is much better & the DA trigger pull is light years better. FWIW, the Taurus does "look" better though. Generally unsatisfying is about the best way to describe mine.

It's disappointing because, Taurus makes some very appealing looking guns.

Originally Posted by birdbrain

any 380 or 9mm , 45 ,40, 357,38, any high power gun is good

over penetration in an apartment or mobile home is my concern

I don't know how Taurus is still out there! Not only do they have so many problems with most of there guns, but there prices are really getting crazy. I still do own 3 Taurus guns a 92 made in 2003, a 627 .357 tracker 2005 and a Rossi 357 I once owned and now reown (long tale) All work as they should. All my others that gave me problems are down the road. So I was looking for a small .38 to summer carry and was looking at Taurus as a guy I work with has a lightweight 85, so I priced one $325.00! Screw that I found a new S&W 638 for $364.00 and let me tell you the smith blows the Taurus away everywhere! Most all the reviews you read about Taurus all say there good, but my last dealings with Taurus was really bad.

PT92 is excellent. Their 1911 is also excellent. Most of the one's knocking them never owned one. SNOBS.

Originally Posted by warbird1

Most of the one's knocking them never owned one. SNOBS.

No one says EVERY Taurus is garbage - but too many are. Anyone says that, and they get called "Snobs" by the Taurus fans...

Glad your gun works and you are happy with it. But, their quality is pretty spotty

I don't know as much as I'd like to about handguns yet, but when I am glancing over the consignment and used guns shelves while waiting for my range time, I see a lot of Taurus (maybe 7 to 1) in all shapes and sizes when compared to everything else. That makes me think there's something to this "cheap at any price" idea. When I see the same .357 Taurus for weeks next to an SP101 in .357 that is gone in a day, makes me wonder if the mumblings I hear are right. I am not in a financial position to be able to risk being wrong about a firearm. I'll spend the extra to be sure. With only 2 guns having 1 be less than reliable takes me to 50% unarmed. Maybe when my ping-pong balls come in and I have the chance and cash to own more than I can carry at one time I'll be willing to try something else. For now I'll stick with what I already know works for me. So far that's Ruger and Beretta.

I believe a lot of the negative feedback about Taurus firearms relates to their history of quality control, which in the past was obviously spotty to say the least. However, current Taurus products have very good quality. Most who have forgiven Taurus' past reputation have since been very pleased with Taurus products. I for one, have been very pleased with a Taurus PT709 Slim that I had purchased in early 2010, and have since put over 2,500 rounds through the gun without any malfuction. The only rounds that were a problem for my Taurus were some old, damp and dirty Winchester fmj's that I found laying in the trunk of my friends car. Of course, that was an ammo problem, not a firearm problem. Everything else has been flawless. Unfortunately for Taurus, the firearm community can be very unforgiving, (and rightfully so). I personally believe that the new Taurus products are everybit as good quality as current American & European firearms.

I had a Taurus PT-92 AF in the 90's. Thing ran great, although I never pushed it that hard. However, with all the quality control and customer service complaints, Taurus won't be seeing my business any time soon.

Small western rattlers? I spent a lot of time in eastern Oregon and Eastern Washington and I have seen rattlers that stretched from the centerline of the road to the edge of the road and they were the norm, not the exception.

I have 2 Taurus revolvers; a Model 94, .22, and a Raging Bull .454 Casull. Both are excellent and have never had a problem. So as has been said; I will enjoy my Taurus'. Incidentally I have other revolvers as well, never had a problem with any of them. Sometimes it's a matter of maintaining your guns.
Obviously I don't have any Taurus semis, not for any other reason other than haven't found one that tickled my fancy yet!

Ok folks,im seriously considering buying a pt145 in the next day or two.i want some real honest feedback on this.thanks

In my opinion, buying a Taurus is a toss of the coin. I know an approximately equal number of people who either love them or hate them. The price is right, they look good, and if you do get one that doesn't break, that's just great.

Originally Posted by Bisley

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I can only speak to my PT 1911 in .38 Super. It fires first time every time and never misses a beat. Any ammo, no problem. Quality wise it gives up nothing to my Kimber. Accuracy is more than adequate for a defence gun and my Kimber shoots only slightly better. I have no problem using it as my personal carry weapon and do so often.

Ed

You can find love-hate relationships in any product... Automobiles, household appliances, lawn and garden equipment, etc. Some may disagree with what I'm about to say, but the only way you will ever know is to experience the product yourself. I have been on different forums over the last five years, and I have read hundreds/thousands of posts bashing a different products. I have not and will not not talk bad about any firearm you choose, it is your perogative to do as you wish. With that said, I wish you luck in your search. If you do decide on a Taurus, let us know your results. Eventually I will try a 605 and see for myself whether or not it is worth owning.

Originally Posted by Kemosabe

You can find love-hate relationships in any product... Automobiles, household appliances, lawn and garden equipment, etc. Some may disagree with what I'm about to say, but the only way you will ever know is to experience the product yourself. I have been on different forums over the last five years, and I have read hundreds/thousands of posts bashing a different products. I have not and will not not talk bad about any firearm you choose, it is your perogative to do as you wish. With that said, I wish you luck in your search. If you do decide on a Taurus, let us know your results. Eventually I will try a 605 and see for myself whether or not it is worth owning.

Well stated!

Originally Posted by Kemosabe

You can find love-hate relationships in any product... Automobiles, household appliances, lawn and garden equipment, etc. Some may disagree with what I'm about to say, but the only way you will ever know is to experience the product yourself. I have been on different forums over the last five years, and I have read hundreds/thousands of posts bashing a different products. I have not and will not not talk bad about any firearm you choose, it is your perogative to do as you wish. With that said, I wish you luck in your search. If you do decide on a Taurus, let us know your results. Eventually I will try a 605 and see for myself whether or not it is worth owning.

Um, in real life, many of us are not as fortunate, or as wealthy, as you seem to be.
We cannot just take a chance and buy a gun. The cost is too significant to permit indulging in a crap-shoot.
(Obviously, the same is true about buying a car, only more so.)
So when a gunmaker develops a bad reputation for his quality-control, it's a good idea to mention it. Some people just can't afford to take the chance of getting one of the duds.

I submit that the experiences that Jean and I have had with rental cars—which we use for up to two weeks, at least twice a year—are also not fair indicators of what we should expect from an automobile that we will be keeping for longer than 10 years. (I've had mine for 25 years, as of this year.)
Driving someone else's car for two weeks tells us something about comfort and convenience—although not everything about it. But the most important thing it does not tell us, is about durability and repairability.
Thus the apparent need for Consumer Reports Magazine and its automotive evaluations. Thus, also, the need for owners' comments here, about their long-term experiences with Taurus guns.

My short experience with Taurus wasn't positive. Had a revolver that didn't strike the primers hard enough and would sometimes fail to fire. I didn't keep that gun and havn't owned another Taurus. I have never liked the judge and think it is a poor design (just my opinion). My opinion by itsself wouldn't really mean anything, but it seems to be echoed by many who have had bad experiences with this gun maker. The biggest problem with Taurus seems to be quality control. So, if you happened to get a good Taurus then you probably have a good gun. If it works and you are happy then there isn't a problem. However, if you are thinking of buying a new gun, then there are better choices. Ruger is a budget gun with a great reputation.

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Originally Posted by BurgerBoy

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Friends don't let friends buy Taurus .