That's because there is always someone that wants to slam some other guys choice in guns. I own a Hi Point, in .45 ACP, and would stack it up to just about any gun out there. I have ran over 600 rounds through it now, without one malfunction of any kind. BTW, it is more accurate than either of the two 1911's I got, and cost me 1/3 of the price of either of those guns. I have had a few different Taurus' now and they worked great, except for one. I had bought it used, and I had to have the extractor replaced. After that repair, it ran fine. I don't make a habit of talking down someone's choice in firearms, even if I think what they bought is junk. If it turns out to be a bad choice, they will find out soon enough. JMHO.
I have not read so much info on this thread that i started and some things that were said i would not understand until i even start shooting, as what i am doing is research, now a sigmas and bersa are both taurus models?
I have been told that i will be shooting both a revolver and semi- auto
what have read on this forum is like a 50 percent say one thing and the other 50 % say another about getting a revolver as a first handgun instead of semi-auto, I went over to a store and the guy behind the counter showed me 3 semi auto, 2 of them being beretta and the third one was a smith and wesson
now sense i have not handled a revolver i guess i have to wait until I do shoot one, as of right now it just seems like i rather have a semi-auto after reading all the info from diffrent i tubes, articles on the internet. I have read on a couple of revolvers the bodyguard 38 is one that i would concider getting all this without shooting them, most of the handguns that i seem to like were semi- auto. the big question is why??????
The one thing I forgot to say is that the middle of Aug toward end of Aug i will be takeing a course, and i am trying to get as much info i can by research before the course that way i hope to make the right decision on which hand gun to get and the 3 they i handled i could tell the diffrence between the 3 semi auto.
Lisa, everything in guns is a tradeoff.
Revolvers are simpler. Just load rounds in the cylinder, pull the trigger, and they go bang. If it doesn't, just pull the trigger again. No safety to fuss with. On the negative side, they hold fewer rounds (typically 5-7) and loading/unloading is not as fast. Most recommend .38 caliper as the minimum self-defense revolver caliper. Pistols chambered for the more powerful .357 round can also use less powerful (and less costly) .38 special ammo.
Semi-auto pistols typically hold more rounds, the small concealed-carry types hold 6-8 rounds and larger pistols hold 15-19 rounds. Loading a pistol magazine takes some time but a loaded magazine can be inserted or removed in seconds. Most recommend 9mm as the minimum caliper for pistols but the newer .380 rounds are pretty effective too (but less than 9mm). 9mm has the added benefit of being low-cost for a center-fire round. Of course .40 and .45 caliper are more effective, but also more costly with much more recoil. Complexity is the down-side of the auto pistol; lots can go wrong: jams, misfeeds. failure to fire, failure to eject, failure to feed. Some semi pistols won't work with certain ammo. So pistol users need to be prepared to deal with these problems.
Taurus guns seem to have more quality problems than other brands but any brand can fail. My advice would be to test any new gun thoroughly (several hundred failure-free rounds) before you trust it in an emergency. Be sure to "wring it out" any new gun while it's under warranty or during the 12 month free shipping period in the case of Taurus.
You can read a lot about guns in magazines and online but you really need to go to a gun store or gun show and hold a gun to see how it fits your hands and see how the trigger pull feels (ask first before dry-firing someone else's gun). If the grip is too big or too small, if you can't comfortably operate the trigger, or if you can't reach or operate controls (like safety or magazine release or rack the slide), that's not the gun for you. Also consider weight: heavy is good unless you plan to carry the gun; then you want light. Bigger guns are easier to shoot well than small guns.
Personally, my self defense handguns are 9mm semi-auto pistols except for the one at my bedside. The bedside gun is a .357 revolver because I want something simple if I need to defend in the dark and maybe not fully awake. Also, the ultimate home defense gun is a shotgun (12 or 20 ga); shotguns are ideal for a defensive position (say barricaded in your bedroom) but they are harder to use on the move (like clearing your home).
I fixed the dead links and updated some others in the first post
Ha Ha thats a good one shipwreck I did'nt know you were a preacher also LOL
None of that has anything to do with "social skills" or an "unbalanced mind." It has merely to do with the exchange of information, which is a very valuable function.
It's nice that your Taurus performs well for you. Other people, however, have had bad experiences with the brand.
Both of those pieces of information are equally valuable.
You and your buddies passive aggressive attitude us very transparent. Tanks for"looking out"for us!(wink wink nod nod)
Guns are like cars - there will always be lemons. I can find catastrophic failure threads on every brand - Glocks, S&W's, Berettas, Rugers, etc.
However, quite often, you do get what ya pay for. If your life is worth the bottom of the barrel gun - knock yourself out. Admittedly, you don't HAVE to spend $3k or some absurdly expensive amount to get a good gun. $500 and up is a good starting point.
As I've tried to point out earlier in the thread - its a huge crap shoot when you buy a Taurus. Taurus claims to have new people in charge which will raise their quality level. We shall see over time. For now, you couldn't pay me to take one. Sorry. I've been buying handguns since 1993, and won't even get into how many I have owned...
If you are a Taurus fan and are offended - sorry. Go do your own research and you will see that just about everything out there is much better. Don't agree with me - that's fine to. I'm not out here to go on a sustained argument with anyone.
But too often people with ZERO gun knowledge start looking based on price - and guess what they often come home with... Then they start talking about the issues. An, as stated before - that could be any brand sometimes... But the Taurus stories that have come up for years and years have shown me enough. Make up your own mind.... But, I've seen enough to make up mind....
Condescending....just like a gun snob. Some if us don't have another 200 dollars. I'll not be unarmed because i can't afford better. I have no issues with mine. Always the haters.
The F model has LONG been discontinued. Replaced by the FS. The "F" model hasn't been made since the mid 1980s. What does this honestly have to do with anything.
I already stated above that: "Guns are like cars - there will always be lemons. I can find catastrophic failure threads on every brand - Glocks, S&W's, Berettas, Rugers, etc."
I just found your thread about your new Taurus elsewhere in the forum...
In your own thread, I gathered the following info... Let's see - you own a Raven, a Hi Point and now used Taurus. You have owned that used Taurus less than a week, and have somewhere around 1 box of ammo through it. In that time, you've sought out this thread...
You've replied and insulted all of us that do not really like Taurus, and we have some reasoning and facts to stand behind. You admit to not being that knowledgeable about guns in your other thread. Some of us have been gun buying and shooting for years. Hell, I've been in non stop gun buying mode since 1993. Yet, you - the guy with the Raven, the Hi Point, and the 1 week old Taurus, comes to tell us all how full of it we are on a thread you didn't even start...
Now, a nice person would have said - "I just bought a Taurus, and so far, it works great. I hope to prove you guys wrong about the quality - it was all I could afford." But you didn't do that. In fact, you are nasty to no one in particular on your own thread you started yourself... Seems like you just want to argue, any place and anywhere. You have gone digging on this site - to argue with people who do not have a good opinion of taurus - when you have only owned a used one for less than a week....
And, you now call me a gun snob? Yes, I am probably a gun snob to someone who has a Raven, Taurus and hi point... And, I will probably always be one to that person.
You like your Taurus. Great. I am happy for you. But, (on your own thread) you even state that you don't know if you paid too much for it...
Don't have much money? Fine, I get it... You probably could have saved and bought a used Glock, S&W, used Beretta, or used anything that is of a higher tier than Taurus. But, you didn't. And, you have what you have. Make the best of it. I hope your gun continues to work.
But now you are insulting all of us who do not agree with you - that Taurus is the most fantastic thing around. I would invite any future members who read this thread to go follow up on your own thread you started.
Taurus owners want to dispute my suggestion that they look elsewhere - go ahead. But a guy who has owned a used Taurus for less than a week (and who is rather nasty about the whole thing) really has nothing much to contribute here....
Trolls pop up from time to time....they seek knowledge about a firearm that apparently no one else owns....then, when they don't like what they hear, they proceed to bash everyone, about everything,,,they make NO contributions, and have no knowledge or insight.........kind of like a liberal...you make talking points, you give them facts, and they just want to call you a racist, or a hater....to divert from the real subject, which is, they really have nothing to say....they tell you that they have a Raven, a Highpoint and a Taurus, then complain that they don't have alot of funds...even though, if they would have used the cash for the 3, and just bought one GOOD firearm, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
As far as feeding....we just tried to give him some " food for thought"