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    Quote Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell View Post
    taurus is the parent company of rossi, rossi makes all of rossis guns...... know of which you speak sir.
    HTTP://www.rossiusa.com/company/history.cfm wow said here Taurus has been making 3 .38's and 4 .357's since 1997 I guess thats why my former rossi 972 said made by taurus. But I'm sure its all a misprint.

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    Took my repaired 945 to the range and had mixed results. Mags stay in place but it did jam on eject or misfeed about 3-4 times out of 50 rounds fired. Not ideal. I'm gonna give it a thorough cleaning and oiling and see if it makes a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom1911sigfreak View Post
    HTTP://www.rossiusa.com/company/history.cfm wow said here Taurus has been making 3 .38's and 4 .357's since 1997 I guess thats why my former rossi 972 said made by taurus. But I'm sure its all a misprint.
    your original post wasd refering to rossi RIFLES and now you point to a statement about rossi contracting PISTOLS as proof that i am wrong.... ok, taurus does produce 7 models of rossi pistols but DOESNT produce the rossi rifle.

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    A few years ago Mercedes have a lot of build quality problems. They would put in a good starter motor but fail to bolt it down properly and it would fail and leave you stranded. They would put in a good fuel pump, but fail to tighten the hose clamp and you'd spill out all your gas and leave you stranded. Eventually they got the build problems resolved (mostly).

    I think Taurus designs some interesting weapons. Their attention to detail is appalling. One reviewer commented that the gun he received included a screwdriver for the grip plates. But they included a slotted head screw driver instead of a Phillips head that was required. Does that make it a bad weapon? No. But it is indicative of some very sloppy practices.

    I think a management change could turn the existing gun lineup into a good one. I don't think there is any bad engineering going on. I think that management puts production rate above quality. So they are making guns fast, but not well. It is sad.

    I had an Audi Quattro once. A nicely designed car, but the purchasing department was either inept or corrupt, and they bought such disastrously substandard components that the car was rendered unreliable (I replaced about 12 driver side power window switches in 3 years of ownership; four radios; 2 windshield wiper motors; two power steeering pumps... but you get the idea.) The engineering was solid but one of the departments sabatoged the entire product.

    I think a similar situation exists at Taurus. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell View Post
    your original post wasd refering to rossi RIFLES and now you point to a statement about rossi contracting PISTOLS as proof that i am wrong.... ok, taurus does produce 7 models of rossi pistols but DOESNT produce the rossi rifle.
    Ted I'd say were about even in this pissing war my view of taurus and rossi and whatever other company involved with taurus is poor at best. I am just informing like everyone else there troubles with taurus. I am still actively trying to resolve my issue's with my 990. I read a lot of your posts and agree with most you write,and respect you for that. With that being said don't try to profit off our troubles. Try to offer some advise as I think you were a FFL dealer at one time and know the ins and out of dealing with the companys.

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    I joined this forum just so I could post my recent disappointment with Taurus. As a Glock 17 owner, I know what a quality weapon is. I wanted a small "snake gun" and ordered a Taurus PT22 from Bud's (online) Gun Shop. After I picked up the gun at my local FFL and cleaned the oil off of it when I got home, I found that it was scratched in a number of places right down to the bare metal, with other wear marks. It clearly did not look like a new gun though I suspect that it is. Since Taurus does not provide an email address for customer support (not a surprise), I mailed them a letter and photos of the gun - that was a few months ago, and I never heard anything back. I would have been satisfied with a simple "sorry", or they could have sent me a new barrel and slide - instead, they just dissed me. I have yet to actually use the gun, and it probably shoots fine (or not?), but I would NEVER buy or recommend Taurus in the future, not just for the poor quality control but also for the equally poor customer service.

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    Here is an article about the new CEO of Taurus, He hasnt been there long but he is making som changes!
    Taurus: No More Bull | The Truth About Guns

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    Well, the only Taurus that I own is a PT-22 with Rosewood grips. I have not shot it a lot, but the shooting I have done has been great. It is very accurate for such a small gun and so far, it is running rounds through it without any problems. It is strange how a gun maker can make one gun perform great, and the next one down the line not do so well. I think their QA department needs to be consistent with EVERY gun that comes through their area.

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    Taurus won 3 prestigious awards in 2005 and the 24/7 and 24/7 OSS have garnered awards in 2006 and 2007. Several newer awards are fromt the NRA.

    Awards in 2005 as follows: Shooting Industry Manufacturer of the Year award, National Association of Sporting Goods Wholesalers Manufacturer of the Year, and SHOT Business Manufacturer of the Year.
    NRA awards were more recent but would have to research ato see which two they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettatoter View Post
    Well, the only Taurus that I own is a PT-22 with Rosewood grips. I have not shot it a lot, but the shooting I have done has been great. It is very accurate for such a small gun and so far, it is running rounds through it without any problems. It is strange how a gun maker can make one gun perform great, and the next one down the line not do so well. I think their QA department needs to be consistent with EVERY gun that comes through their area.
    Just bought a PT709 Slim. Pistol seems solid, hope it does well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RottenCore View Post
    Taurus won 3 prestigious awards in 2005 and the 24/7 and 24/7 OSS have garnered awards in 2006 and 2007. Several newer awards are fromt the NRA.

    Awards in 2005 as follows: Shooting Industry Manufacturer of the Year award, National Association of Sporting Goods Wholesalers Manufacturer of the Year, and SHOT Business Manufacturer of the Year.
    NRA awards were more recent but would have to research ato see which two they were.
    I put ZERO stock in these awards after Taurus won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recoilguy View Post
    I am sorry I started to read this one. I am even more sorry I read it all the way through.
    The place some people draw their points of reference from and what it takes to get some folks to become personal amazes me. Start a thread about Taurus quality or Sigmas triggers or Hi Points in general and it normally turns into this thread. I sometimes get sucked in. Not this time I will not post to this thread.

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    I agree with you recoilguy.This is the worst thread to read.

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    That's because there is always someone that wants to slam some other guys choice in guns. I own a Hi Point, in .45 ACP, and would stack it up to just about any gun out there. I have ran over 600 rounds through it now, without one malfunction of any kind. BTW, it is more accurate than either of the two 1911's I got, and cost me 1/3 of the price of either of those guns. I have had a few different Taurus' now and they worked great, except for one. I had bought it used, and I had to have the extractor replaced. After that repair, it ran fine. I don't make a habit of talking down someone's choice in firearms, even if I think what they bought is junk. If it turns out to be a bad choice, they will find out soon enough. JMHO.

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    I have not read so much info on this thread that i started and some things that were said i would not understand until i even start shooting, as what i am doing is research, now a sigmas and bersa are both taurus models?
    I have been told that i will be shooting both a revolver and semi- auto
    what have read on this forum is like a 50 percent say one thing and the other 50 % say another about getting a revolver as a first handgun instead of semi-auto, I went over to a store and the guy behind the counter showed me 3 semi auto, 2 of them being beretta and the third one was a smith and wesson
    now sense i have not handled a revolver i guess i have to wait until I do shoot one, as of right now it just seems like i rather have a semi-auto after reading all the info from diffrent i tubes, articles on the internet. I have read on a couple of revolvers the bodyguard 38 is one that i would concider getting all this without shooting them, most of the handguns that i seem to like were semi- auto. the big question is why??????

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    The one thing I forgot to say is that the middle of Aug toward end of Aug i will be takeing a course, and i am trying to get as much info i can by research before the course that way i hope to make the right decision on which hand gun to get and the 3 they i handled i could tell the diffrence between the 3 semi auto.

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    Lisa, everything in guns is a tradeoff.

    Revolvers are simpler. Just load rounds in the cylinder, pull the trigger, and they go bang. If it doesn't, just pull the trigger again. No safety to fuss with. On the negative side, they hold fewer rounds (typically 5-7) and loading/unloading is not as fast. Most recommend .38 caliper as the minimum self-defense revolver caliper. Pistols chambered for the more powerful .357 round can also use less powerful (and less costly) .38 special ammo.

    Semi-auto pistols typically hold more rounds, the small concealed-carry types hold 6-8 rounds and larger pistols hold 15-19 rounds. Loading a pistol magazine takes some time but a loaded magazine can be inserted or removed in seconds. Most recommend 9mm as the minimum caliper for pistols but the newer .380 rounds are pretty effective too (but less than 9mm). 9mm has the added benefit of being low-cost for a center-fire round. Of course .40 and .45 caliper are more effective, but also more costly with much more recoil. Complexity is the down-side of the auto pistol; lots can go wrong: jams, misfeeds. failure to fire, failure to eject, failure to feed. Some semi pistols won't work with certain ammo. So pistol users need to be prepared to deal with these problems.

    Taurus guns seem to have more quality problems than other brands but any brand can fail. My advice would be to test any new gun thoroughly (several hundred failure-free rounds) before you trust it in an emergency. Be sure to "wring it out" any new gun while it's under warranty or during the 12 month free shipping period in the case of Taurus.

    You can read a lot about guns in magazines and online but you really need to go to a gun store or gun show and hold a gun to see how it fits your hands and see how the trigger pull feels (ask first before dry-firing someone else's gun). If the grip is too big or too small, if you can't comfortably operate the trigger, or if you can't reach or operate controls (like safety or magazine release or rack the slide), that's not the gun for you. Also consider weight: heavy is good unless you plan to carry the gun; then you want light. Bigger guns are easier to shoot well than small guns.

    Personally, my self defense handguns are 9mm semi-auto pistols except for the one at my bedside. The bedside gun is a .357 revolver because I want something simple if I need to defend in the dark and maybe not fully awake. Also, the ultimate home defense gun is a shotgun (12 or 20 ga); shotguns are ideal for a defensive position (say barricaded in your bedroom) but they are harder to use on the move (like clearing your home).

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    I fixed the dead links and updated some others in the first post

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    Ha Ha thats a good one shipwreck I did'nt know you were a preacher also LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettatoter View Post
    That's because there is always someone that wants to slam some other guys choice in guns. I own a Hi Point, in .45 ACP, and would stack it up to just about any gun out there. I have ran over 600 rounds through it now, without one malfunction of any kind. BTW, it is more accurate than either of the two 1911's I got, and cost me 1/3 of the price of either of those guns. I have had a few different Taurus' now and they worked great, except for one. I had bought it used, and I had to have the extractor replaced. After that repair, it ran fine. I don't make a habit of talking down someone's choice in firearms, even if I think what they bought is junk. If it turns out to be a bad choice, they will find out soon enough. JMHO.
    I agree. Some were taught social skills while others were not. My"lemon" runs like a clock. I had a c9 that also worked very well. But lets run down the American company with the lifetime warranty because its"ugly"??? The mentality of some people in this community worry me. This whole crusade against one brand or another seems like the work of an unbalanced mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celt View Post
    ...Some were taught social skills while others were not. My"lemon" runs like a clock...
    While your (yellow?) Taurus runs like a clock, you will find, from reading the posts of other owners, that buying a Taurus can sometimes be a "crapshoot." Thus, a board or thread that discusses Taurus quality, and Taurus QC problems, can serve as a warning to prospective buyers.
    None of that has anything to do with "social skills" or an "unbalanced mind." It has merely to do with the exchange of information, which is a very valuable function.

    It's nice that your Taurus performs well for you. Other people, however, have had bad experiences with the brand.
    Both of those pieces of information are equally valuable.

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    You and your buddies passive aggressive attitude us very transparent. Tanks for"looking out"for us!(wink wink nod nod)

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    That took three seconds to find and there was more than one page....

    Catastrophic failure with a Beretta 92F Need some info. on the 92F

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    Quote Originally Posted by celt View Post
    That took three seconds to find and there was more than one page....

    Catastrophic failure with a Beretta 92F Need some info. on the 92F

    Guns are like cars - there will always be lemons. I can find catastrophic failure threads on every brand - Glocks, S&W's, Berettas, Rugers, etc.

    However, quite often, you do get what ya pay for. If your life is worth the bottom of the barrel gun - knock yourself out. Admittedly, you don't HAVE to spend $3k or some absurdly expensive amount to get a good gun. $500 and up is a good starting point.

    As I've tried to point out earlier in the thread - its a huge crap shoot when you buy a Taurus. Taurus claims to have new people in charge which will raise their quality level. We shall see over time. For now, you couldn't pay me to take one. Sorry. I've been buying handguns since 1993, and won't even get into how many I have owned...

    If you are a Taurus fan and are offended - sorry. Go do your own research and you will see that just about everything out there is much better. Don't agree with me - that's fine to. I'm not out here to go on a sustained argument with anyone.

    But too often people with ZERO gun knowledge start looking based on price - and guess what they often come home with... Then they start talking about the issues. An, as stated before - that could be any brand sometimes... But the Taurus stories that have come up for years and years have shown me enough. Make up your own mind.... But, I've seen enough to make up mind....

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    Condescending....just like a gun snob. Some if us don't have another 200 dollars. I'll not be unarmed because i can't afford better. I have no issues with mine. Always the haters.

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