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    New guy from Arizona here. My experience with Taurus Quality?? Third generation Millinium PT745 .45acp 6+1 and PT709. Both bought new, shot and soon after sold at a financial loss.

    When mentioning the word in Arizona, often heard is:"Friends don't friends buy a Taurus firearm".

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    Wow Sorry to hear that. rgbiker. I Like that quote! I'm wondering if the crummy QC, repair work, and lack of care for there consumer is a scam to wear people to the point of selling there guns to bottom feeders that get paid by taurus to do so. Then taurus cleans them up and sends them back out again to new poor souls. Yea thats whats happening. I'm on to it now LOL. I guess it could happen?

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    I have a PT945 stainless that I bought in 2006. Worked great until recently. My only complaint is that it's fussy about ammo, especially doesn't like Fiocchi. Then... the mags started falling out every time I fired it. Then when I took it apart one of the screws that holds the grips stripped. Sent it back (at my expense - $65!!! - no one there told me they would send a pickup). Just got it back a week later. The magazine release was "damaged", no other explanation. Now fixed. Mags fit tighter, I'm taking it to the range this weekend to check it out.

    But I still really like the gun. I think it looks beautiful, it's exactly the right size for a .45. I agree these cheaper guns are chancy, I fooled around with Ruger semi-autos for a while before giving up in disgust. We'll see if it's a long term keeper.

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    I am sorry I started to read this one. I am even more sorry I read it all the way through.
    The place some people draw their points of reference from and what it takes to get some folks to become personal amazes me. Start a thread about Taurus quality or Sigmas triggers or Hi Points in general and it normally turns into this thread. I sometimes get sucked in. Not this time I will not post to this thread.

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    Taurus quality is a contridition in terms.

    Just my experience,

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    I'm sorry you feel that way recoilguy, guns are a very personal thing. I hope Taurus can do me and others right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidder View Post
    . . . The thing I can't figure out is why some of these big wig media give them good reviews. Should they not be investigated for all the complaints they get?
    Disclaimer: I don't own any Taurus products, I never have, and I never will. Everything "Taurus" has been said in this thread.

    Now to the "big wig media" and "good reviews".
    In "MANY" kinds of "enthusiast magazines" (and now their websites/TV shows) you need to understand their priorities and how that affects their reviews. Gun mags/shows are no different.
    Advertising dollars are "king" in these venues. If you follow certain magazines/sites/shows long enough, you will come to understand what is going on with "their reviews".
    Ad dollars make their profits. Magazine subscriptions don't even come close to "paying the tariff". Same for TV production costs.

    During my enduro/motocross racing career of 28 years there was a "standing joke".
    In comparison shootouts of new models in the mags, they would tell you what problems with last years model was fixed by the factory designs in their new bike model.
    Uhh dudes, that is exactly one year late.

    If you want a good example of "this syndrome", you can check out the TV show "Gallery of Guns". Lots of good facts about featured guns.
    They show range videotape. But, ALL range reports from one of their featured "gun writers" will report that "it handled well, and shot good groups". Without fail.

    Two parts of "what is that all about". First, the enthusiast mag/TV operations are getting free samples for "reporters" to test. Second, they want that to continue.
    The mags/TV shows profits depend on that.

    That said, my opinion is that Davidson's (the wholesale dealer) has a REALLY good thing going with their Gallery of Guns website and its "Gun Genie".
    www.galleryofguns.com - Buy guns online, top brands, best price, best service, best warranty; all types of guns: revolvers, rifles, pistols and shotguns.

    An excellent innovation, and a great place to quickly compare guns, and get "local gunshop prices" on guns that interest you.
    My last purchase was a Buckmark. Through the "Gun Genie". My most favorite gunshop got the gun from them, and he likes dealing through them that way.
    Disclaimer: I have no connection to Davidson's and never have. But, Davidson's is out at my local airport. And my gun shop gets "4 hour service".

    Just my usual verbose opinions. YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom1911sigfreak View Post
    Oh and just a last little laugh I stopped at my dealer after work for a cold one and he had one of them new rossi rifles (made by Taurus)just got it today, all crome looked real nice felt good he told me turn it over when I did a large piece of crome was hanging off it.Just who does the QC at the factory?
    taurus is the parent company of rossi, rossi makes all of rossis guns...... know of which you speak sir.

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    my offer still stands to by junk taurus' at junk gun prices and yet not a single person has contacted me...... looks like the owners of bad taurus' want to sell them for good gun prices to unsuspecting people..... is this the right thing to do? you know the gun is crap and yet you would screw over your fellow man? tsk tsk tsk

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    Be nice Ted Santa's on his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell View Post
    taurus is the parent company of rossi, rossi makes all of rossis guns...... know of which you speak sir.
    HTTP://www.rossiusa.com/company/history.cfm wow said here Taurus has been making 3 .38's and 4 .357's since 1997 I guess thats why my former rossi 972 said made by taurus. But I'm sure its all a misprint.

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    Took my repaired 945 to the range and had mixed results. Mags stay in place but it did jam on eject or misfeed about 3-4 times out of 50 rounds fired. Not ideal. I'm gonna give it a thorough cleaning and oiling and see if it makes a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom1911sigfreak View Post
    HTTP://www.rossiusa.com/company/history.cfm wow said here Taurus has been making 3 .38's and 4 .357's since 1997 I guess thats why my former rossi 972 said made by taurus. But I'm sure its all a misprint.
    your original post wasd refering to rossi RIFLES and now you point to a statement about rossi contracting PISTOLS as proof that i am wrong.... ok, taurus does produce 7 models of rossi pistols but DOESNT produce the rossi rifle.

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    A few years ago Mercedes have a lot of build quality problems. They would put in a good starter motor but fail to bolt it down properly and it would fail and leave you stranded. They would put in a good fuel pump, but fail to tighten the hose clamp and you'd spill out all your gas and leave you stranded. Eventually they got the build problems resolved (mostly).

    I think Taurus designs some interesting weapons. Their attention to detail is appalling. One reviewer commented that the gun he received included a screwdriver for the grip plates. But they included a slotted head screw driver instead of a Phillips head that was required. Does that make it a bad weapon? No. But it is indicative of some very sloppy practices.

    I think a management change could turn the existing gun lineup into a good one. I don't think there is any bad engineering going on. I think that management puts production rate above quality. So they are making guns fast, but not well. It is sad.

    I had an Audi Quattro once. A nicely designed car, but the purchasing department was either inept or corrupt, and they bought such disastrously substandard components that the car was rendered unreliable (I replaced about 12 driver side power window switches in 3 years of ownership; four radios; 2 windshield wiper motors; two power steeering pumps... but you get the idea.) The engineering was solid but one of the departments sabatoged the entire product.

    I think a similar situation exists at Taurus. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell View Post
    your original post wasd refering to rossi RIFLES and now you point to a statement about rossi contracting PISTOLS as proof that i am wrong.... ok, taurus does produce 7 models of rossi pistols but DOESNT produce the rossi rifle.
    Ted I'd say were about even in this pissing war my view of taurus and rossi and whatever other company involved with taurus is poor at best. I am just informing like everyone else there troubles with taurus. I am still actively trying to resolve my issue's with my 990. I read a lot of your posts and agree with most you write,and respect you for that. With that being said don't try to profit off our troubles. Try to offer some advise as I think you were a FFL dealer at one time and know the ins and out of dealing with the companys.

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    I joined this forum just so I could post my recent disappointment with Taurus. As a Glock 17 owner, I know what a quality weapon is. I wanted a small "snake gun" and ordered a Taurus PT22 from Bud's (online) Gun Shop. After I picked up the gun at my local FFL and cleaned the oil off of it when I got home, I found that it was scratched in a number of places right down to the bare metal, with other wear marks. It clearly did not look like a new gun though I suspect that it is. Since Taurus does not provide an email address for customer support (not a surprise), I mailed them a letter and photos of the gun - that was a few months ago, and I never heard anything back. I would have been satisfied with a simple "sorry", or they could have sent me a new barrel and slide - instead, they just dissed me. I have yet to actually use the gun, and it probably shoots fine (or not?), but I would NEVER buy or recommend Taurus in the future, not just for the poor quality control but also for the equally poor customer service.

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    Here is an article about the new CEO of Taurus, He hasnt been there long but he is making som changes!
    Taurus: No More Bull | The Truth About Guns

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    Well, the only Taurus that I own is a PT-22 with Rosewood grips. I have not shot it a lot, but the shooting I have done has been great. It is very accurate for such a small gun and so far, it is running rounds through it without any problems. It is strange how a gun maker can make one gun perform great, and the next one down the line not do so well. I think their QA department needs to be consistent with EVERY gun that comes through their area.

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    Taurus won 3 prestigious awards in 2005 and the 24/7 and 24/7 OSS have garnered awards in 2006 and 2007. Several newer awards are fromt the NRA.

    Awards in 2005 as follows: Shooting Industry Manufacturer of the Year award, National Association of Sporting Goods Wholesalers Manufacturer of the Year, and SHOT Business Manufacturer of the Year.
    NRA awards were more recent but would have to research ato see which two they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettatoter View Post
    Well, the only Taurus that I own is a PT-22 with Rosewood grips. I have not shot it a lot, but the shooting I have done has been great. It is very accurate for such a small gun and so far, it is running rounds through it without any problems. It is strange how a gun maker can make one gun perform great, and the next one down the line not do so well. I think their QA department needs to be consistent with EVERY gun that comes through their area.
    Just bought a PT709 Slim. Pistol seems solid, hope it does well.

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