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    Will a 85 .38 with a normal hammer snag?

    Going to pick out a new wheel in a week or so but I'm kind of stuck. Looking for a backup pocket gun/super small, tight clothes primary carry gun. Settled on a Taurus m85 ultralight stainless snub. Would like a reg-hammer gun for longer range shooting. As I live in the county. Alas I am very concerned that it will snag something fierce in my pocket. Any thoughts on this guys? Is is possible to carry a hammer snub in a pocket? Perhaps with a pocket holster? Or do I really just need to bite the bullet, give in and buy a DAO snub?





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    Given what you said, pocket gun in tight clothes, I'd go hammerless for sure. How much are you going to enjoy a lightweight snubbie for long range target shooting anyway? Priority one is a smooth draw from the pocket when needed I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyatt View Post
    Given what you said, pocket gun in tight clothes, I'd go hammerless for sure. How much are you going to enjoy a lightweight snubbie for long range target shooting anyway? Priority one is a smooth draw from the pocket when needed I would say.
    I agree.

    Also, have you consider a small semi-auto, like a P3AT/LCP? No worry about the hammer snag, and even quite a bit smaller since you're considering carry for tighter clothing. Just a thought.

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    A snubbie is not designed for long-range shooting, but then again, I guess there's nothing that states you can't do it.

    A hammered snubbie inside a pants pocket will not snag if you put your thumb on the hammer first, and then pull the revolver out of your pants while keeping your thumb on the hammer.

    You mentioned "tight clothes". There's no way I could pocket carry a J-frame or similar while wearing tight pants. If I did pocket carry while in tight pants, I would carry a Ruger LCP or the Kel-Tec that has been mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAINS View Post
    Going to pick out a new wheel in a week or so but I'm kind of stuck. Looking for a backup pocket gun/super small, tight clothes primary carry gun. Settled on a Taurus m85 ultralight stainless snub. Would like a reg-hammer gun for longer range shooting. As I live in the county. Alas I am very concerned that it will snag something fierce in my pocket. Any thoughts on this guys? Is is possible to carry a hammer snub in a pocket? Perhaps with a pocket holster? Or do I really just need to bite the bullet, give in and buy a DAO snub?





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    Hey guy, I have a flash for you. Any kind of carry will print if you are wearing tight clothes. Tight clothes and CCW don't mix. Your clothes don't have to be baggy, but you do have to have some room to hide a gun. If you are wearing skin tight pants a KelTec or LCP is going to show too!

    An elderly man makes out in this, everything is bulky or pleated, Dockers and Corduroys! I love sweaters and jackets, makes it easy to carry a big gun!

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    A pocket gun isn't going to be much use for long range shooting. Might you be open to the idea of carrying IWB? that opens a few options you wouldn't have with the pocket pistol.

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    The hammerless design was introduced FOR pocket/CC. Yes, the hammer will snag, and when you don't want it to.

    Either buy the hammerless, and shoot it frequently... most owners will learn how to "stack" the trigger, knowing where the release point is, and pulling to that point, and then sqeezing it past. DAO guns can be fired accurately with practice. Ask Jerry Miculek...

    Or, buy a small auto with higher capacity, smaller print, and equal reliability. KelTec, Kahr, Ruger, and a few others make good pocket-guns. I carry a P-3AT everywhere, with or without my XDs.

    Just part of the routine.

    I just blow the pocket lint out of the hammer area once per week.... Completely reliable.

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    I may have missed it in one of the previous replies but what about a concealed hammer design sigh as the Smith 38 or the Taurus Bodyguard. It gives you the best of all worlds except for the pocket lint in the mechanism issue.

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    I know Smith makes a model 638 that looks hammerless, but you can actually put your thumb on it and pull it back for single action if you want, yet it does not stick out like traditional hammer and thus wont snag

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    You could always cut the pistol's hammer spur off with a hacksaw, clean the cut up with smoothing files, and (if the gun is blue) rub on a little cold blue.
    If you're very, very careful, you shouldn't even have to disassemble the pistol. Just close up all openings into the works with removable rags before you start to cut.
    The spur adds very little weight to the hammer's fall, so you should experience no difference in function.

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    When you trim your own you can leave a small stub but smooth it off to prevent hang up with pocket material.

    Theoreticaly you should get a slight increase in primer strike force.

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    Taurus should make an ultralight 38 version of their 651. It's based on S&W Bodyguard and you can cock it. 651 will put 5 Rem 38+p 158lhp on paper plate at 25 yds[single action].

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    in my opinion

    pocket gun - 380 or hammerless 11oz j frame
    ankle gun - glock 26(or similiar) or any j frame
    other category of ccw - 4" or any of other 100s out there

    long range and ccw don't mix unless you have a shoulder holster with a 6" revolver or longer

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    Rains, check out 851UL on Taurus website to see if it would better fit your needs?

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    Guess I should have clarified the meaning of tight clothing. I've been on a weight loss trip and louse clothing to me now means something that is a full size too big. With tight being normal louse carry clothes. (ie any shirt that I can't pack my G21 under!) It is not easy packing when you keep lousing your handgun stabilizing bulges! It looks like the 851UL will work great for me. Anybuddy know where I can order the thing wholesale at a good price. The guns stores around here stink. So I just have a transfer dealer. Thanks for the info guys!




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    Can't help u there. Might comparison shop among your dealers and see what they'll charge you to order one or do online search among the big online dealers? There was over $100 difference between local dealers on price of 651.

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    The nearest Taurus dealer is 40 bucks in gas away. However I am going to a gun show next weekend. I will ask my gun show buddies where to get one cheap.



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    NIB Taurus 85 ULBH. Finish (flat black ) looks and feels like Tennifer. Very slick little pocket carry gun. trigger was very smooth, but heavy enough to be safe in pocket. It also is most accurate of my snubbies. Alternate carry with my 642.


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    Better picture of the "invisible hammer" on taurus 85ULBH. I know you have already bought hammer for present gun, but anybody else thinking about pocket carry Taurus 85, this is a very viable option.


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