EDIT: What we discuss in places like this can and will get people killed. Under-estimating certain loads-esp. in shotguns is a HUGE mistake. QUOTE]
I would love to stop reading your rants but I find them somehow stimulating :mrgreen:. Please unwad my panties (gently please) and don't get someone killed by telling them an adversary with a 9mm is no real threat because you saw it on an X-Ray somewhere. You may just get them killed by your own admission. Your failure to respond to my post on another thread about the 9mms devastating effect in the Gifford shootings puts your credibility in question.
Eli
Well,genius, havent read your comment in the other post...sooooooooooooo......
As for x-rays, how does an average of 4-6 GSV's per night over the course of 5 yrs- about 80% of whom had 9mm rounds that failed to stop the persons, failed to expand , and as often as not failed to penetrate even minor bones when hit, disqualify the fact that the round flat out fails. Repeatedly.
Punching a few holes in a piece of paper at the range once so often does'nt un-do any actual street facts, much as that may offend those who've made up their minds that they have a snow-ball's chance in hell of relying on them in an actual shooting.. :numbchuck:
Consider also: The majority of rounds used in the GSV's we had in -since most of the GSV's were gang-bangers , and wannabe gang-bangers, were 9mm.
After that were .25 acp hits. Most didnt expand or were hardball anyway-but by far the round most often resulting in death. Next were .40- these most often being Police use. (another failure of a round most of the time) w/ many GSV's shot multiple times by multiple officers,with no result other than a lot of holes. Once in a blue moon, someone would come in shot by a .380 or a .38 spl-=these were usually civillian CCW folks shooting those. 50/50 results with those.
The
ONLY rounds we saw result in death of the GSV more than 90% of the time were .45 acp, .25 acp, 12 gauge, and 7.62x39mm. End of story.
But from my own perspective of a 9mm use- try putting
14 rounds (center-mass torso, all the way up to his forehead) into some Somali turd who MIGHT have weighed in at 70 lbs soaking wet, and with all his weapons and ammo, and have the guy
still coming at you until your M9 is
empty and
you have to beat him to death with it. I assure you, your faith in 9mm will take a nose-dive. But hey, what the hell would I know about any of it ,anyway...