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    Judge not, that ye may not be Judged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bayhawk2 View Post
    Well.I go by what I see.I don't know how deep this converts to flesh
    but I wanted to go to as short a barrel as possible to show it.This is
    just a little derringer with the 000 buckshot.As you can also see in the video,
    he is away from target.YouTube - Water penetration test: Federal Premium .410 000 Buckshot 4 pellet in a Bong Arms Derringer
    Superficial?Whatever.I "don't" accept hear say.I accept facts.
    This is just what the 000 buckshot will do.The slug is awesome,however I stick
    to what I "KNOW" will take out the B/G.

    Exactly. Both my own experiences by using, and testing. as well as the dozens of folks Ive seen brought into the E/R I worked in for years. Lot of internet "experts" regurgitate a lot of myths,w/out any of the above, and before you know it folks are making potentially life/death decisions on what they decide to buy and use on such nonsense. Graveyard's are full of folks that lived according to old wive's tales...

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    Um, I have to assume that many of those E/R patients lived through their experiences. Correct?

    The Bond Arms .410 derringer, even loaded with slugs, won't do as much to instantly stop a fight as will my six-shot AMT .45 Backup pocket pistol.
    For one thing, it's more than likely that you'll get off only one derringer shot, since you will have to manually re-cock for the second. For another, you will have to be shooting from very, very close range (that is, inches not feet), which means that you would be in jeopardy from the BG's fists, not to mention any weapon he might be accessing.
    Tactics, therefore, will be a deciding factor. The Bond Arms derringer puts you at a gigantic tactical disadvantage, while a small, multi-shot, semi-auto, .45 ACP pistol permits rapid-fire response and repeated, effective, fight-stopping hits at any distance from bad-breath to 20 yards, including while maneuvering evasively.

    There is a tremendous difference between the better ballistics of a long-barrel NEF shotgun, and the ineffective ballistics of any short-barrel pistol, for instance the Judge or the Bond Arms derringer. Don't make the mistake of believing that the two are equivalent, just because they fire the same load. It just ain't so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4l View Post
    And brand snobbery most certainly lends credibility...? If reading-comprehension were a skill of yours, you'd note I hadnt fired any of the loads I mentioned from the Taurus- it was an NEF in .410, and a Remington 870 for the 12... The load data holds. The tool itself, is of a design ideal for the task mentioned.

    As for credibility of Taurus owners/users, I suppose you deem yourself credible enough to discredit everyone on this thread page? Tell us, plz, oh guru of gun wisdom, what brought you to the Taurus brand pages with your extensive free time?

    Hahaa.. this is truly funny. I think we found Gecko!

    It's not about brand snobbery, it's about detailed accounts of Taurus' choking over and over, and as you are so fond of saying... go look it up for yourself! As far as my ability to comprehend... well, you were espousing the merits of Taurus in ANOTHER THREAD all the while, denouncing the future of the 9mm in another thread, also while spouting off the awesomeness of the .25ACP. Seriously? You think that a 9mm is crap, but nooooo, don't count out the mighty .25ACP!!! As for your assertions of going down to the local trauma center to see hoards of shooting victims... well, I'm smart enough to NOT live in an area where that occurs. Seems to me, making better decisions not only applies to your choice in weapons, but could use some work on where you live if GSW's happen with that level of frequency. Just sayin'.

    As far as why I'd waste my time in the Taurus forum... well, (since you're questioning my wisdom with insults) When you come to the site, you click the gigantic "What's New?" button near the top left of the page... and guess what, it lists all the new threads on the forum. Imagine that, a tool that actually works! I read most all the threads because guns are an interest of mine, I respond when someone needs help or doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. I'll let you decide which category you fall into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
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    I read most all the threads because guns are an interest of mine, I respond when someone needs help or doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. I'll let you decide which category you fall into.
    +1, I really think this guy is just having us on a bit, attention seeker perhaps and look at his success!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    Hahaa.. this is truly funny. I think we found Gecko!

    It's not about brand snobbery, it's about detailed accounts of Taurus' choking over and over, and as you are so fond of saying... go look it up for yourself! As far as my ability to comprehend... well, you were espousing the merits of Taurus in ANOTHER THREAD all the while, denouncing the future of the 9mm in another thread, also while spouting off the awesomeness of the .25ACP. Seriously? You think that a 9mm is crap, but nooooo, don't count out the mighty .25ACP!!! As for your assertions of going down to the local trauma center to see hoards of shooting victims... well, I'm smart enough to NOT live in an area where that occurs. Seems to me, making better decisions not only applies to your choice in weapons, but could use some work on where you live if GSW's happen with that level of frequency. Just sayin'.

    As far as why I'd waste my time in the Taurus forum... well, (since you're questioning my wisdom with insults) When you come to the site, you click the gigantic "What's New?" button near the top left of the page... and guess what, it lists all the new threads on the forum. Imagine that, a tool that actually works! I read most all the threads because guns are an interest of mine, I respond when someone needs help or doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. I'll let you decide which category you fall into.
    W/e. the facts are what they are. Not liking any of them does'nt make them any less a fact.
    You've sure made up your mind as to what interweb mythology you choose to regurgitate, without relying on any actual personal experience or knowledge,all the while slamming another's information-without refuting a single point, of course.
    Ignorance may indeed be bliss, but we have a term for folks like you. We usually call them victims. Post mortem.

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    Ok.. want a few threads chock full of information about their quality? (I might add, you've only added anecdotal "evidence" as well concerning your "facts".)

    Taurus Quality?
    (This one has about a wheelbarrow full of Taurus quality links in it - thanks Shipwreck)
    Taurus' overall
    Taurus Customer Support Loses Taurus a Customer Forever...
    Taurus customer service

    And these are just from THIS forum.

    As for personal experience, I'd say I have more than most. I actually train with my weapons, not plink cans on the weekends. I go train with experts in the field, I shoot all year long and as of 3 months ago I'm starting to formally train people. Amazing, those assumptions you made about me as well, huh?

    I've faced the devil and guess what, my training and dedication to the pistol brought me thru unscathed. I'd say that's a might bit better than say... I dunno, getting shot in the hand.

    Anyways, I should have remembered the primary rule of forum posting... "Never argue with idiots, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

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    [QUOTE=zhurdan EDIT Anyways, I should have remembered the primary rule of forum posting... "Never argue with idiots, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." [/QUOTE]

    +1

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    Ah, forgive me for failing to realize that Only Taurus' have issues...


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    [QUOTE=j4l;228753]Ah, forgive me for failing to realize that Only Taurus' have issues...


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    Quote Originally Posted by j4l View Post
    Ah, forgive me for failing to realize that Only Taurus' have issues...
    Glad I don't own any of those but a Glock, Kimber and a Kahr, all of which are about 4 years older than any of those threads. Glocks as of late have been having issues Gen3 and 4, mine is a Gen2, runs like a top. My kimber I've had tuned and parts replaced and it runs like a top. My Kahr sits in the safe because no one will buy it at what I would consider an acceptable loss to me.

    A smarter person than I graciously pointed out to me that I was kinda of being a jerk IN the Taurus sub-forum. I'm glad he did. So, with that being said, I want to apologize for crapping all over this thread. That doesn't change my opinion on Taurus, nor will it stop me from trying to influence people to buy a better quality weapon for self defense purposes, but I'll bite my tongue when it comes to "lumping things together" in respect to all items of one brand.

    Stay safe... and Oh, I'm done with this thread.

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    I certainly am glad that my M1911s and my AMT .45 Backup didn't make that long malfunctions list! I'd hate to think that I might be carrying a...Gasp!..."Taurus Equivalent."

    I notice that nobody seems to have internalized the information I presented in my previous post.
    Oh, well...
    May the guys with the Judges and Bond Arms derringers never have to put their weapons' inadequacies to the test.

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    Hmm. Good of you not to lump "everything" then. My point was- there's problems and malfunctions in all makes of all products. Be it guns, cars, etc. Problems arent exclusive to a particular brand or make.
    Some are better at customer service and quality control than others, that's a given..
    But, if one looks at things, 9 out 10 "problems" turn out to be Operator Headspace anyway- clowns with screwdrivers trying to be desk-top "gunsmiths" , mis-handling, wrong ammo/loads, improper maintenence, etc.
    But heck. I've had malfunctions- everything from simple jams, to catastrophic failures with Barettas, Sigs, Brownings, Colts (rifles) ,more than I recall. Doesnt mean I've lumped all types/makes into the failure-avoid like the plaque category.

    As far as particular calibers go- ya there are definitely some that just plain dont work. That's based on documented history, personal witness, personal experience, and having seen hundreds of clowns I used to X-ray in an ER. I've seen what works, and what doesnt work, in a lot of different ways.
    I know pro-9mm types get their panties in a wad anytime anyone points out they've chosen mothballs for defensive rounds, but..sometimes reality sucks like that. Im not going to, in good conscience, suggest such loads for folks to defend themselves with, just to be "nice".

    On shotgun loads, I kept reading where folks suggest this or that load for home defense- because it "penetrates less" etc. Someday some folks are going to find out a really, really lousy lesson heading such advice. We're talking about firearms, folks. Not sneakers or stereos. What we discuss in places like this can and will get people killed. Under-estimating certain loads-esp. in shotguns is a HUGE mistake. But again, dont take my word for it. Gather some materials, go out back in the yard, and try it for yourself, rather than reading my rants, or interweb mythology.

    As for the Judge itself-since this got so side-tracked, MY intent for the weapon is primarily for use against SNAKES around my home. A defensive role against humans, if needed, would be secondary at most. But that would not make me hesitate to make use of what;s at hand.

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    And what's at hand with the Judge and Federal handgun 000 buck is not
    bad.Some critisize just to critisize.I guess they have nothing better to do.
    Know it alls.We all have them in our lives somewhere.

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    [QUOTE=j4l;228782]EDIT: What we discuss in places like this can and will get people killed. Under-estimating certain loads-esp. in shotguns is a HUGE mistake. QUOTE]

    I would love to stop reading your rants but I find them somehow stimulating . Please unwad my panties (gently please) and don't get someone killed by telling them an adversary with a 9mm is no real threat because you saw it on an X-Ray somewhere. You may just get them killed by your own admission. Your failure to respond to my post on another thread about the 9mms devastating effect in the Gifford shootings puts your credibility in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bayhawk2 View Post
    ...Some critisize just to critisize...
    ...And some defend their purchase just to defend their own impulsive choice.

    (Note that I'm not criticizing your spelling.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4l View Post
    Ah, forgive me for failing to realize that Only Taurus' have issues...
    Having issues is not what gives Taurus a bad reputation, but the hassle of dealing with their incompetent, unresponsive customer service.

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    I should have known never to doubt your word about
    the Taurus Judge.I know you know much more than I do about it,after all,I've only put about a
    "thousand rounds through mine".Oh sure you never held one or shot one,but the amount you have
    read on it?No doubt you are the man.
    P.S. End of conversation.I won't agrgue with a "know it all."

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    First off, I am not a .410 bore basher. I own 3 of them myself. However, they are all shotguns not pistols. Out here in "semi-rural " country ( 3-15 acre lots, but houses within 200 yards of each other) the .410 is the "Yard gun" or "Critter gun" of choice for pests. It fills a definite niche, but as a shotgun.

    I have a Mossberg 500E (youth model) for the Grandkids when they hunt with Grandpa, an NEF Pardner with wood youth stock for "first shotgun" training for same and a composite stocked, weatherproofed H&R Pardner with a shell sleeve on stock that is the garage wall mounted "Duty Critter Gun." The first two sit with pride in the gunsafe alongside their numerous 12 gauge and 20 gauge "cousins."

    But I fail to see practicality of .410 in such a short barrel. To me it is a shotgun caliber/bore not a pistol cartridge.

    BTW Mike, as I sit here typing, my 642 is nestled inside a GALCO Pro #158 in my front pocket.

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    [QUOTE=EliWolfe;228794]
    Quote Originally Posted by j4l View Post
    EDIT: What we discuss in places like this can and will get people killed. Under-estimating certain loads-esp. in shotguns is a HUGE mistake. QUOTE]

    I would love to stop reading your rants but I find them somehow stimulating . Please unwad my panties (gently please) and don't get someone killed by telling them an adversary with a 9mm is no real threat because you saw it on an X-Ray somewhere. You may just get them killed by your own admission. Your failure to respond to my post on another thread about the 9mms devastating effect in the Gifford shootings puts your credibility in question.
    Eli
    Well,genius, havent read your comment in the other post...sooooooooooooo......
    As for x-rays, how does an average of 4-6 GSV's per night over the course of 5 yrs- about 80% of whom had 9mm rounds that failed to stop the persons, failed to expand , and as often as not failed to penetrate even minor bones when hit, disqualify the fact that the round flat out fails. Repeatedly.
    Punching a few holes in a piece of paper at the range once so often does'nt un-do any actual street facts, much as that may offend those who've made up their minds that they have a snow-ball's chance in hell of relying on them in an actual shooting..

    Consider also: The majority of rounds used in the GSV's we had in -since most of the GSV's were gang-bangers , and wannabe gang-bangers, were 9mm.
    After that were .25 acp hits. Most didnt expand or were hardball anyway-but by far the round most often resulting in death. Next were .40- these most often being Police use. (another failure of a round most of the time) w/ many GSV's shot multiple times by multiple officers,with no result other than a lot of holes. Once in a blue moon, someone would come in shot by a .380 or a .38 spl-=these were usually civillian CCW folks shooting those. 50/50 results with those.
    The ONLY rounds we saw result in death of the GSV more than 90% of the time were .45 acp, .25 acp, 12 gauge, and 7.62x39mm. End of story.

    But from my own perspective of a 9mm use- try putting 14 rounds (center-mass torso, all the way up to his forehead) into some Somali turd who MIGHT have weighed in at 70 lbs soaking wet, and with all his weapons and ammo, and have the guy still coming at you until your M9 is empty and you have to beat him to death with it. I assure you, your faith in 9mm will take a nose-dive. But hey, what the hell would I know about any of it ,anyway...

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