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Thread: pt111 g2 doesn't feed hollow points well

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    pt111 g2 doesn't feed hollow points well

    My gun is new with about a hundred rds fired and missfeeds hollow points, no problem with fmj. They dont seem to come up high enough to get to the ramp on the back of the barrel. It puts a flat spot at the forward edge of hollow. I have tried DRT the 85 gram HP and the Monarch 124 gram jacketed hollow points.
    One out of about 10-15 missfeed. I have cleaned and looked at the ramp on the back of the barrel, did not see anything.There is also a ramp in the body below the barrel ramp, it does appear to be contacting the bullet. Talked with Taurus, They suggested looking at the bullets! The ammo looks consistant, The DRT leading edge is sharp which to me suggests that it could dig in if meets something soft. The monarch leading edge is radiused pretty well.
    Is there a regulated dimension for this ammo? Are these hollow point brands controlling their product dimensions? Where could I find these dimensions?
    Is my gun the problem, are there other guns of this model with these problems, is this ammo a problem?
    Thanks for any and all suggestions and disscussion.

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    Well there are certain guns that don't do JHPs well, and it really isn't restricted to junk guns either. Browning Hi-Power is a good example of this. It is one of the finest guns ever made, but it just does not feed JHPs well. It has more to do with the angle of the feed ramp than anything, in my experience. The 1911 is another platform that doesn't always feed JHPs that well.

    I'm not familiar with the PT111, but I know it is a relatively popular gun. I think it's due to the cost mainly, but it seems to make a lot of PT111 owners happy. I would suggest looking for ammunition like the Critical Duty or Critical Defense that have more narrow tips than some other offerings like HST or Gold Dot. Hornady makes the XTP bullet which is used in their Hornady Custom ammunition and their newer American Gunner product, both of which are more narrow at the point. Try that and see if it helps.
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    This sounds like a project with calipers at the ammo store. It makes sense since there are variations of dimensions.
    I'll be using this information on my future purchases.
    Thanks for your input, good day
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    I'm not familiar with Monarch ammunition, but the DRT stuff can cause malfunctions in some handguns. Very high velocity and light weight bullets don't allow the gun to completely cycle the slide, resulting in a failure to feed properly. I use Federal HST's, Winchester Ranger, & Speer Gold Dot in my G2 and have had no malfunctions. Either 115 or 124 grain. Try some of these, if you experience further FTF's, It's probably not the ammo.
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    Keep using hardball,
    Its the way to go anyway.

    Better reliability,

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    Any decent pistolsmith should be able to make any pistol feed any ammunition.
    My 1911s both feed empty cases, for example.

    Sometimes, it's a matter of feed angle. That's a big deal, because it could be a magazine issue, a feed-ramp issue, an extractor issue, or some combination of the three.

    Generally speaking, the first thing to try is a feed-ramp polish job. That's within the kitchen-table capabilities of any reasonably-handy person.
    If that works, you're home free. If it doesn't, then you need that competent pistolsmith to do a more complex job.

    If you'd like instructions on how to do a polish job, please send me a PM. I have them all written out and ready, and other shooters have used them successfully.
    The materials are inexpensive, and the work takes only about an hour.

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    the round makes contact with the ramp while it is too low to get the upper push. hud35500 mentioned short cycle with light ammo like the DRT 85gr makes some sense. The monarch 124gr should be heavy enough for a full stroke, mu guess.
    I have marked a magizine to track the two of them (more paper work, yae).
    Pic said keep using hardball ( you guys?)
    Thanks for all the lessons. later

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    Best-quality hollow-point (HP) bullets have a smoother, more-ogival nose shape, and will feed properly in most properly-set-up pistols. Not all.
    Try a (25-round) box of premium-quality HP ammunition—as made by Speer, Hornaday, Remington, Winchester, or one of the others—and see if it makes a difference.
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    I had two 3" 1911s. Neither one would be JHP through a full magazine. Bullets that used Horady FTX bullets were the worst because FTX bullets were flat sided w/o any curve.

    I agree, polishing the feed ramp without modify it's angle is a great idea for just about all guns.

    Secondly, doing a formal job of keeping track of which magazines work or don't work might solve your answer. Make sure they are clean, inside and out. Do NOT lubricate them.

    The condition of their feed lips could be your entire problem. Their accuracy determine timing and angles of the next round coming out of the magazine as it's presented to the breech. SO if you've dropped your mags on their lips that could be your problem.

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    A more formal experiment shows the DRT the 85 gram HP ammo is not heavy enough to cause the slide to move full travel. It would not send the slide back far enough to latch with an empty magazine. It also would not go back far enough to eject e very time, but it would catch on the next round in the magazine. what a traffic jam.
    The Monarch 124 gram jacketed hollow points may not be a problem I will try them and reportback, in a more formal test.
    What is a "stovepipe"?
    I am appreciative of your help on the "zen" of semi automatic hand guns. One is never too old to learn, sometimes too foolish to listen.

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    A "stovepipe" is a kind of incomplete-ejection jam in which the expended cartridge case is extracted from the pistol's chamber, but is so incompletely ejected that it ends up trapped between barrel-breech and slide face, usually vertical (or almost so), half out of the ejection port.
    It resembles a chimney, sticking up out of the "roof" of the pistol. Thus it is called a "stovepipe."

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    I fired twenty of the freedom munitions 124 grain xtp hollow points through the pt111 without any issues.

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    OK I shoot the PT 111 Pro first series but had never any problem feeding and firing. Looks like if all the good advice doesn't help you have to send the gun to Taurus.
    Taurus International Manufacturing Inc - Repair Policy Shipping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Best-quality hollow-point (HP) bullets have a smoother, more-ogival nose shape, and will feed properly in most properly-set-up pistols. Not all.
    Try a (25-round) box of premium-quality HP ammunition—as made by Speer, Hornaday, Rermington, Winchester, or one of the others—and see if it makes a difference.
    I usually run Federal HST 124gr JHP & CorBon's DPX 115gr JHP with no FTF or FTE whatsoever. However, I'm planning to use Steve's method of polishing the feed ramp and throat with Flitz as well.

    I also concur with Steve on the ogival nose shape issue.

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    I try to find the worse ammo , to the best, if it all feeds well that's good,.

    But I hate to depend on a certain brand of ammo for reliability
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