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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockamaniaŽ View Post
    I was taught the 4 step draw also, but the last step is to assess when pointing. Every instructor has their own style.
    One of the great advantages of fully committing the motions of the draw stroke to "muscle memory" is that it frees the conscious mind to constantly assess and analyze the fight. Thus, I'm a little hesitant to agree that "assess" is an extra step. Rather, it's something you should be doing concurrently with the draw. A lot can happen in a fight in a second and a half. It may be that by the time you get the gun out, the situation has changed.

    I do agree that one should come to a ready position after the initial fight is over and scan for secondary threats.
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    Mike- this is really good info; Thanks! You mention Thunder Ranch, etc. - do you know anything about Front Sight outside of Las Vegas? Thanks for the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulehead View Post
    - do you know anything about Front Sight outside of Las Vegas?
    Yes, I've also attended a pistol course at Front Sight. The facilities there are very good and the instructors are quite knowledgeable. It's pure Modern Technique, and slightly on the dogmatic side, but a very good choice if you've never taken formal training before.

    I thought the training at Gunsite was better, and somewhat less basic than at Front Sight, but you can do Front Sight very inexpensively by picking up a training certificate on eBay. These certs are the best training bargain in the world.

    You might shoot a PM to member Old Padawan. He's taken multiple courses at Front Sight.
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    Excellent! That is actually just what I have in mind. I am new to shooting and was looking for some good basic training to augment what I'll get when I go for my CCW next month. Thanks again!

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    You're a very wise shooter to seek out additional training! I see lots of guys spending all sorts of money on new guns, but if you want to really excel as a shooter, spend money on training instead. Software beats hardware every time!
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    Where is the 4-step process do you "click", disengage the safety?

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    Disengage safety would be in step 2.

    The 4 step combines and alters steps 2 and 3 in the 5 step and ends with the gun in a retention position.
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    Great post! But one thing that was touched on was useing BBguns to start, we have Airsoft guns just like my real gun and practice with that all the time. you can practice in your back yard if you live like I do on The Left-Coast....................

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    Does anybody have any videos or anything showing how to draw with the proper technique?

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    I just tried that Quick Kill style, and I'll be darned if it didn't work perfectly. If you can be on target without using your sites, why not use it. You might not have the time to get the perfect site picture.

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    raising a bit of an old thread here, but i found this video on youtube, Mike, or someone else who knows better than I do, is this a good explanation of the 4 point draw?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlNlv_bRVKs

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    Draw & aim technigue

    I have to say that this has been the most interesting read I've enjoyed in quite a long time. Mike not only excells on the range but also on the key strokes. Way to go Mike. Robln did good with his Quick Kill technique also. I'm hombled. Good job guys.

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    I have always liked the saying,

    "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast"

    It is interesting to think about, and holds very very true...I have found that the more I practice, the faster my"slow" becomes. I hope that makes sense (it does in my head)...

    Anyways, there is some great content in this thread. Great job guys, as frank stated before me.

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    +1 Mike Barham and Steve M1911A1

    Very good information.


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    Patience grasshopper

    You're not going to get any better advice than that given by Mike and Steve. I learned to draw at my IDPA events, when I started, everything about the draw and aim was herky-jerky and SLOW. Now it's a pretty close match to Mike's post. Been at it (IDPA) going on 2 years now, the aiming has gotten to be almost 2nd nature (through LOTS of practice), trying to get speed up now. Problem with my speed now is age, my reflexes aren't as quick as they used to be. LOL!!

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    Being new to the site, I really enjoyed this thread. Mirrors what we were teaching new privates during all phases of basic and advanced marksmanship (I spent time as an instructor in a 19K OSUT unit teaching new privates). Especially during ARM and basic pistol marksmanship one of the things I (and the other instructors) preached the most was "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast."

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    Magpul has a pretty decent video "The Art of the Dynamic Handgun". They get into the high-speed-low-drag stuff a bit but the techniques are all there. It may not be geared to the uber beginner, but I found it helpful. I was initially trained by relatives who were all former military, and then thrown into an IDPA match (my uncle's idea) with very little experience (all of 8 hours range time if that and maybe 250 rounds downrange)

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    Wow great stuff. Even in the bodyshop the older bodymen i learned from said"slower is faster". I didn't get it till later. Now i work with younger guys who paid money to go to tech schools. They get mad because i don't appear to work very hard but i run circles around them. Lots of wasted motion. Slower is faster.. I know its not drawing or shooting but same idea i think.

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    Thanks a lot Mike, lot of questions I had are now clear.

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    Hello all,

    New to the forum but been shooting a while. Took CCW, NRA instructor training, but know there's so much more out there. Been reading up on various schools, techniques, and training methods to not only become a better shooter, but a better trainer.

    I come from a long line of folks that say the best way to learn is through practice and sponging off others knowledge, so this begins the sponge of drawing techniques courtesy of this post! Sorry to resurface this thread but wanted to make note of it.

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