Well, personally, I'm not buying one. I don't have any gun money right now, and when I do there are others in line first, most of which are long guns. But I sell a truck load of them at work and want to stop sounding like a used car salesman. I have to hand people some cons with the pros or they think I am pulling their leg. So I'm fishing for cons. LOL!
1. I do not own an XD. I have no desire to own one, either. However, my civilian job grants me the opportunity to examine (and often shoot) new guns, quite honestly, way before anyone else on this board. I have shot XDs in full size and compact configurations in 9mm, .40, and .45 ACP.
2. I don't know if "wickedXD" owns a shot timer. I do. I use it about like I use paper targets - for evaluation of practically every gun I shoot. I time splits (you know what splits are, wickedXD, and you time yours, right?) as a measure of the "shootability" of a given gun design. Muzzle flip on XDs is more than, say, Glocks and 1911s. This is simply a result of the design, with the higher bore axis - simple physics and leverage. 14 rounds in three seconds is okay - it's not great, if that's what you're thinking - you're probably running about .12-.15 splits. I assume you did this with a shot timer, right? You should be able tell us your exact splits. What distance were you shooting at, and what were your hits like? Just unloading the gun and making noise doesn't count. Only good hits count. WickedXD, if you have a shot timer, please run a Bill Drill with your XD .45 and post your time. You do know what a Bill Drill is, right? (If not, you can always Google it.)
3. Perhaps wickedXD doesn't know the difference between field stripping and detail stripping. Note that in my post I said DETAIL strip, not field strip. I don't appreciate being implicitly called a dumb ass, by the way. Go back and read my post before you type insulting crap, wickedXD, and work on your reading comprehension.
4. Rob Leatham works for Springfield and is paid by them. I don't think anyone on the forum would expect me to carry a Bianchi holster when I work for Galco, and it is stupid to think that Rob would be seen shooting something other than a Springfield product when they are paying him, for God's sake. Nothing against Rob (we actually live in the same town, and I see him in the grocery store occasionally), he's just doing his job.
5. As for me not knowing what I am talking about, I'll let my posts stand on their own merits. I don't want to start a war of shooting credentials, but I think mine are pretty decent, between training, competition, the military, and my civilian (gun industry) job. I'll be very happy to post my qualifications, wickedXD, if you'll post yours.
6. Anytime anyone on the internet claims a given gun "ROCKS," you can be pretty sure they don't have too much experience with other guns. All guns have their strengths and weaknesses, and the XD has its share. So does the Glock, the 1911, HK, Beretta, and every other gun on the planet.
U make valid points Mike.
I've gone thru so many gun brands in the past 5 years before I found what works for me best.
Now, I've travelled backwards in time when using my P99 and a shot timer
Here are two threads I came across this morning about the cracked locking blocks that I mentioned before. 1 of them has some pics mixed in on various pages...
Ok Mike...settle down. I was insulting you in any way...I meant dumbass as in people who can't take something apart...and put it back together the same way. If you can't then...hey you a "dumbass". I have shot lot of different guns...and I'm simply telling you the muzzle flip is not bad at all....then again I have forearms like Popeye...and can one handed shoot my 18"Mossy with 3" (00) buckshot with minimal muzzle flip. So those that have weak wrists...maybe it might be a problem. And yeah I'm a younger guy...so my slang is THE GUN ROCKS! Don't own a trigger timer or any other geeky equipment...all I need is my fast draw and "I WILL KILL YA BEFORE YOU GET A SHOT OFF!" attitude. But hey thats me. 2nd don't care what qualifications you have or were you work. Don't make much difference to me personally. It's all on how you view a good weapon. If you wanna see my qualifications....call me out.
Galco lol...a cheap ass uncle mikes holster is better.
Last edited by wickedXD; 10-02-2006 at 01:52 PM.
I guess items that let shooters objectively analyze improvement (like, say, targets and shot timers) are just geek gear, along with good holsters . I'm not sure how one determines a draw is "fast" if one lacks the ability to time it, unless it's so "fast" that it can be timed with a wristwatch. I know exactly how fast (or slow) my draw is.
When you gain some experience, "wickedXD," perhaps you'll see things differently. If you're ever in Arizona, look me up. I'm sure I'd greatly enjoy a range trip with you, and I'm very sure I could arrange for both of us to shoot in an IDPA or IPSC match.
Can't we all just.....get along?
Arguing over the Internet is like winning the Special Olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded.
I have ran 4000+ rounds through my XD45 Tactical since I bought it new in mid-march. The muzzle flip is hardley a issue (with me at least) I didn't like the trigger take-up or pull & I felt it could be a little crisper. A trip to my local gunsmith fixed that right up. It is crisp & clean. The take up is respectable & the 4lb pull is just right for me. I am very happy with this pistol. I would like to change the grips but it is out of the question with this type of firearm. I tried scateboard tape but didn't like it too much. I'll find something I like someday, but for now I'll just use it as it is. It really isn't much of a problem.
Compared to my little .380 Walther PPK/S or my .45 ACP Colt 1991, the muzzle flip on my .45 Tactical XD is virtually nonexistant. I know that's not a fair comparison, but worth mentioning anyway.
The XD has replaced all 9 of my other handguns and has become my carry weapon of choice, despite whatever "faults" others may have found with it.
Good and bad in everything, as they say. I love my .40 Service. Feel & ergonomics are good for me, recoil is well within handgun tolerances, it takes down perfectly, it comes with cool stuff and you really can't argue with the price. I've always been a rifle guy (hunting, targets, Marine Corps), so my experience with other handguns is limited; perhaps with more, I could see getting a trigger job on it, I've heard of some not liking it's pull.
i love mine, although i had a light film of rust form on the slide once, easily came off and has not returned...after reading this thread though i'm extremely paranoid about this cracked block issue....(whatever the block is haha)
This stuff is hilarious.
The post was a request for criticism of the gun. We shouldn't shoot down any viewpoint that isn't based on false information rather than individual experience.
One criticism I've seen is that they don't have a model with a manual safety. I just bought the XD45 tactical and I isn't a carry gun for me so the grip safety is just fine for my needs, but even though an external safety may not be necessary for safe carry it make a lot of people uncomfortable not to have one.
My own experience is that I get as much or more muzzle flip on a Glock than the XD. I would add that if the XD trigger reset etc... is not competion ready that is ok. For one trigers that are really touchy are scary to people with less experience. I've had it happen before where I shoot two shots in rapid succession with the second round being unintentional. If the gun moves much during recoil competion ready triggers can be dangerous for undertrained shooters in defensive situations.
My impression from what I read ( I am not a competetive shooter ) is that a large number of competitive shooters have trigger work done to tune it to their liking.
Mike at Galco:
Do you feel the XD trigger could have trigger work done to bring it up to the level you demand from your guns or is there a design problem that would prevent such tuning?
I'm surprised SA would have Rob Leatham using the XD. I'd have thought that they would be using him to sell more of those $3000 "Leatham Legend" 1911s.
Last edited by Alaskan_Viking; 01-30-2007 at 09:34 PM.
Those tests make mine look better and better
Clint Smith wrote an article about handgun tactics in a recent handgun magazine. He thinks the XD, Les Bear 1911, and S&W model 20 are the three best defense guns going in their respective categories.
On the criticism side he did iterate the same complaint that Mike at Galco put up in that the trigger reset is long.
I've also read more to indicate it's possible to have trigger work done to tune that to a specific users liking.
Personally I didn't notice any issue with the trigger reset of coarse I'm not used to guns with very short resets other than my 1911, but that is a custom gun.