The time was right (dangerous combo of purchase permit and cash in pocket), and a nice dealer at the show with a new .45 compact with a good price on it.
DONE! Wrap it up! She's comin' home with me before it gets gone with the blue-light special manic craziness going on here at the show.
Word to the wise with gun shows.. Get there day 1 and early! Some dealers were jackin' the prices big time.. Some weren't.. Found one that was honest.
So I now have a .45 compact riding top-row with my P226 9mm hanging out under it in the safe. Cannot wait to get that bad boy to the range. Impulse buy but also I ammo'd up with 3 boxes of Fed HST with a decent price also.. That'll be my SD ammo stash. Now I gotta load up on FMJ's to see how this baby shoots and breaks in.
I'm sure I'll be searching up on break-in, etc etc but any quick advice I'm all ears for from you XD experts. I did do a pre-range new-gun clean with hoppes 9 and then a light apply of militec-1. I'm wide open on XD advice as I know Sigs are a bit different and kinda like being wet.
Last edited by babs; 04-06-2009 at 11:03 AM.
kid duty today.. then grass-mowing duty.. yep, honey-do list for getting to go out and play yesterday. Gotta wait until I can slip off to the range.. Probably some long lunch this week. I'm sure I'll be thrilled at how much .45 acp range ammo there ISN'T available. So for now, just filled out little warranty card and playing with the mags. I dunno, the stock gear doesn't look all that bad if that's all a guy had. Though I'm sure my next surf will be for checking out holsters and goodies. Now I have a rail too. uh oh.
Yeah, a better holster is a must. That teensy plasic holster from the kit prints on your clothing like hell! Get a cheap fobus paddle for it and it will carry much more securely.
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I was even considering one of the crossbreed jobs or a galco (in support of one of our own here). It's wide open.. Once I get the cc permit, it'll be wide open territory. It's no ppk for sure, so a good carry rig will be an interesting search.
That short 10rd grip is definitely a plus. I'd equate the gun to just about the size of a P229 Sig in grip length.. but with definitely a bunch more bad medicine.
I can't wait to send some .45's downrange and get the feel for it. I've shot the .357 Sig version and a few .40's so I'm expecting a good deal of bump, maybe different.. More of a push rather than a snappy recoil but certainly more than my 9 banger 226.
GREAT FIND KID!! I couldn't find one anywhere local. I ended up with a service model. Now I need to stumble upon a catch like you got so my name actually fits me..lol!! You are going to love it at the range im sure. I was super happy with my XD purchase.
This one being the 4" "compact" model is pretty cool in concept with the short handle for carry. You get an extra inch of sight picture and barrel, but the grip a little longer than a subby. This particular ACP has been pretty much my favorite model since first learning about the XD.
I'm afraid she'll have to go with me tomorrow for a long lunch.. don't think I'll be able to wait too long to try her out.
Oh, on cleaning last night the inside rails on the slide, etc, I was kinda surprised at the brown unidentifiable "crud" in the rails the hoppes 9 and patch was pulling off. I assumed was just their dried up grease or something. Cleaned up fine but just wondered how normal that is. As it's got the little test-round casing, I assume they test-fired and immediately packed it up.
Oh, didn't read that correctly. You got the service model then too. I was thinking SUB-compact. I have that on the brain lately. I cleaned mine too and there was a noticeable amount of crap in it. I had just fired 100 rounds threw her but I found the same gunk. Check this out: http://springfield-armory.primediaou.../SPstory11.php
Crazy what our little plastic "Glock Wannabe's" will endure. I too will be taking a long lunch Tuesday for another round of shoot the paper bad guys. Have fun and welcome to the XD family.
PS: Dont go calling the 4" a COMPACT around here. You will be corrected as I was by the top echelon..lol!! Just kiddin guys.. I saw it marked as compact a few places and it is the middle model under the TACTICAL. It's known around these parts as the SERVICE model.
Oh yeah I love that article!
Mud... Not just for boots and splash-guards on your car.. Use it for slide lube on your XD too.
uh.. or maybe NOT. hehehehe
Hehehe.. It's an oddball ain't it. Yes it is the "Service" length slide 4", but yes it's called the "XD Compact".
BeefyBeefo's correct though I noticed, actually it's not completely as short as the sub-compact grips (2-finger length). It's a little longer but still not the full service length grip.. It allows pinky to take hold, about like a P229 Sig, or maybe a 7-shot 1911 "commander" length maybe I think they're called. Slap in the 13 rd mag and it's dimensionally the same as a full svc length .45 acp XD which is plenty grip for Andre the Giant even, God rest his soul.
Mine is the very top model# in the pulldown, XD9645HCSP06
FINALLY!!! Got some range time in with the newbie 45. 100 rds through it Saturday.
Smooth fast cycling. I expected something more dramatic, but the gun is very very smooth and cycling is consistent through the shots.. 1st apply of militec-1 burned in. More to come. Kicks brass like all the way to the other end of the range.. Dang! There was a guy loading like 4 lanes over that kept ducking as my brass was bouncing off the ceiling joists and peppering him. Poor guy. hehehe
Far more accurate than than I am with it. for now.
I'm thinking I'm not gonna bench test it any further until I get used to the trigger or until the trigger smooths out a bit. But once I finally settled down after getting used to the gun, I'm putting out an interesting crescent moon grouping a couple inches left of bullseye at 10 yards. I attribute it to something I'm doing with the trigger-pull and not the gun. ESTO = Equipment Superior To Operator. Slow deliberate shots appear to be dead on.
I'm guessing no sight adjusting necessary but will see after break in.. Breaking ME in, with this gun.
Same SA pull every time. It's certainly no tuned up 1911, but, I'm digging the 1st shot also being a single action and just like the rest with the XD's relatively short reset. I expect it to smooth out a bunch but it's not bad now. Every shot, same pull, same reset, same feel.. I'm guessing this is more a selling point for the XD than I realized. I certainly dig it.
On Recoil: Oh yes.. Very pleased as suspected.. The .45 acp XD doesn't perceptively kick very much more than my 9mm Sig.. Believe it or not. I'm guessing the "push" of the .45 round vs a hotter .40SW or .357Sig round that I've shot before, what I "perceive" to be a lower bore axis, and the poly-frame absorption factor.. nice things. Certainly wouldn't have any problem shooting this gun all day long... Except the fact that it'd cost as much as a car for all the ammo. Darnit. Saved my brass this time. I'm gonna want to shoot this gun.. A bunch.
But the gun is naturally fast back down to target I thought. Doesn't do a bunch of twisting and torquing but just a simple muzzle flip with slide-return knocking it back down to target.
.... In simple terms.. I love the XD ... Sig still not for sale though.
That's great to hear.
I was eyeing a "compact" XD45 yesterday but I was hesitant to persue the idea once I noticed this one had a manual safety. Normally I am all about manual safeties but without a hammer I think I would get confused in a rush. Still, the gun felt great and came in my preferred caliber. Glad to hear yours is doing well.
Thanks. I'm looking forward to many more rounds through it.
I wouldn't let the manual safety bother me unless it made a significant impact on the trigger.. Or was placed poorly so a 1911-style thumb-down disengage wasn't smooth upon sighting the weapon. With an understanding of the XD's design, it was a feature I was really indifferent about, or maybe preferred not to have.
This is my 1st striker-fired and I'm actually used to it already i think. Maybe it's the mental assurance of the visual striker I like maybe. The XD is very very simple really.. Load, chamber, holster. Or in the case of the manual safety, just one more step.
I do admit though, the "idea" of cocked and locked is a little unnerving I think at first, then you think logically think it through.. firing-pin-block, grip-safety, trigger-safety.. Designed to be cocked if chambered. So the manual safety maybe can eleviate apprehension a bit further there.
Hey babs, how was the grip? Did you try both magazines (10 round: flush with bottom of grip / 13 round: with grips extension)?
I was thinking for so long that I wanted a XD40 subcompact, but the teeny grip is hard to hold. So I was thinking maybe get one like your XD45 (9645). If you shot using both magazines, was there a noticable difference in your grip and its effect on aiming/control?
Answer to your grip question..
Yes, I've shot with both 10rd and 13rd extended mags.. Not much difference really.. The extension does kinda wiggle a little.. Not the tightest fit on the 13rd.. but truthfully when I shoot I'm concerned more of having the web of my hand pressed in tight, so my grip isn't as solid down on the extension anyway. So as far as aiming or control between the two mags, the difference I think is minimal. About the same to me.
The grip ergonomics overall for me is great I think. (keyword "me", as grip fit is very personal). For a double-stack .45, I'd call it excellent.. Nice flat-back 1911 angle without the glock-grip-point thing going on. By comparison, the grip is certainly larger than my 226 with stock panels.. More like the 226 when I had the wrap-around hogues on it.. Which I much prefer. Felt an XDm 9mm which I definitely thought was too small for me.. Good crimson-trace slip-on opportunity though with those.. There's room to thicken up those grips. The .45 grip fits well with getting hold of the trigger, though I have to back off a bit to just put finger-pad on the trigger.. So actually if you've got large hands with fairly long trigger reach, the gun is adequate, moreso than say a P226 Sig.. my only comparison that I've spent a lot of time with.
New range report...
I figured the gun would have to break me in, and that's exactly right. I'm still getting used to the XD's trigger pull.. I'm grouping to the left slightly at 10 yards, indicating I haven't mastered what's going on with that trigger pull... Any suggestions, I'm wide open as I'm no expert nor would I claim to be or play on on TV. I know if I take a very slooooooow conscious trigger squeeze, or a normal real-situation quick trigger pull straight through the break, I tend to shoot better with it.. I guess that's a good thing.. If I'm ripping through the trigger as if my life depended on it, it seems to group better.. Interesting and I'm thinking no accident in their design.
But I am jerking more shots than I'd like.. or doing something odd as a lot are breaking left a few inches even.. On my last trip last week, 2nd trip with the gun (only 100rds through it sofar) it Took a couple mag fulls for me to loosen up with it and settle down. Maybe it's just trigger time and .45 ACP time.
Also, I did run a mag full of Federal 230g HST's through it. I'm fairly sure I limp-wristed one, as it FTF'd on me.. I'm not concerned this early in the game with the gun.. After 500rds and my experience at that point with the XD, if it had feed issues, I'd be concerned. Not as yet.
.. Sorry for the novel. Right now she's in the safe doing HD duty with big-mag full and new Insight light hanging on it.. Now that's sexy. hehe If I can actually hit with the thing.
Last edited by babs; 05-04-2009 at 10:45 AM.
Hey, lets see some pics with the Insight light on it. Like you said, sexy!! Thanks for the info. I will probably be getting one very soon.
Gun-pron! You just want gun-pron! hehehe
If I can find the time.
I tell ya though, since you're looking, if we coulda figured out how to ship it without it costing a fortune, beefybeefo's XD9SC was a sweeeeeet little carry 3" I was considering.. That'd be an even nicer carry piece for size alone. Looks like he's sold it finally to buy ammo for his glock. hehehe
But as far as a .45 with nice recoil and controllability, the XD45C is a nice jack of all trades.. It's carry capable, shoot-able, great capacity, and XD build... Once it breaks me in so I can group 'em where they're supposed to go. I did get a bit spoiled with how sweet my P226 shoots with it's slick trigger.
My point is, I've also experienced this and I have NOT quite yet put my finger on how or why....although I'd be willing to bet it has something to do with no DA and the consistent "safe-action" trigger pull. As to how to curtail this, well honestly I'm not sure, but at least we're both confident it's the shooter and not the weapon. It's just going to take some training I suppose.
Oh thank goodness I'm not the only one!
I have a theory I'll have to test... Last knuckle of trigger finger.. The inside of the knuckle presses gun away from trigger hand when the trigger finger pulls. Just a hypothesis... but my logic is the inside pad of the hand at that knuckle (where index finger attaches to hand) protrudes.
If so, a possible correction drill might be tight left/right hand squeeze ala what I've seen Todd Jarrett teach on some youtube vid.. "vice" grip on the sides of the grip with snap-cap drills.. maybe. Well.. Basically what you said.. Drill drill drill! .... Oh yeah, that vid is now linked in here.
... Check out right at :39 seconds what he says about incorrect gun angle in hand.. 95% of shooters hold it wrong. I'm betting also with the thick .45 grip I'm doing that to get around to the trigger. I'm gonna test that as well consciously at range.
I gotta get some snap-caps.
Last edited by babs; 05-05-2009 at 11:41 AM.
Dude, that might be the most helpful "grip advice" video I've ever seen. Now *I* gotta get some snapcaps.