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    Hey, lets see some pics with the Insight light on it. Like you said, sexy!! Thanks for the info. I will probably be getting one very soon.

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    Gun-pron! You just want gun-pron! hehehe
    If I can find the time.


    I tell ya though, since you're looking, if we coulda figured out how to ship it without it costing a fortune, beefybeefo's XD9SC was a sweeeeeet little carry 3" I was considering.. That'd be an even nicer carry piece for size alone. Looks like he's sold it finally to buy ammo for his glock. hehehe

    But as far as a .45 with nice recoil and controllability, the XD45C is a nice jack of all trades.. It's carry capable, shoot-able, great capacity, and XD build... Once it breaks me in so I can group 'em where they're supposed to go. I did get a bit spoiled with how sweet my P226 shoots with it's slick trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post
    I'm grouping to the left slightly at 10 yards, indicating I haven't mastered what's going on with that trigger pull... Any suggestions, I'm wide open as I'm no expert nor would I claim to be or play on on TV. I know if I take a very slooooooow conscious trigger squeeze, or a normal real-situation quick trigger pull straight through the break, I tend to shoot better with it.. I guess that's a good thing.. If I'm ripping through the trigger as if my life depended on it, it seems to group better.. Interesting and I'm thinking no accident in their design.

    But I am jerking more shots than I'd like.. or doing something odd as a lot are breaking left a few inches even.. On my last trip last week, 2nd trip with the gun (only 100rds through it sofar) it Took a couple mag fulls for me to loosen up with it and settle down. Maybe it's just trigger time and .45 ACP time.
    I do the EXACT same thing with Glocks and XDs....I have no idea why but I am about 1-2 inches to the right-of-center during drills (I'm left-handed). Shots at 7 yards are pretty much dead on but the offset is very noticable at 15 yards. And of course, just like yourself, slow, concentrated trigger pulls and bench rest shots are spot on so you know the gun is fine....the obvious answer is trigger pull/jerk but I cannot explain why this doesn't happen with any other handgun I own. I used to think it was the poly frame and perhaps the weapon was JUST light enough to amplify trigger-finger movement but then I did some shooting on my USP and there is no off-center shooting to speak of. The only other difference between Glock/XD and everything else I own is that Glocks and XDs don't have a double-action mode and they are striker-fired weapons. I have spent LOTS of time working DA mode on my handguns with snap caps and I think this goes a long way to steady a firearm when pulling a more resistant DA trigger. This option isn't avaialble on the Glock/XD due to lack of DA.

    My point is, I've also experienced this and I have NOT quite yet put my finger on how or why....although I'd be willing to bet it has something to do with no DA and the consistent "safe-action" trigger pull. As to how to curtail this, well honestly I'm not sure, but at least we're both confident it's the shooter and not the weapon. It's just going to take some training I suppose.

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    Oh thank goodness I'm not the only one!

    I have a theory I'll have to test... Last knuckle of trigger finger.. The inside of the knuckle presses gun away from trigger hand when the trigger finger pulls. Just a hypothesis... but my logic is the inside pad of the hand at that knuckle (where index finger attaches to hand) protrudes.

    If so, a possible correction drill might be tight left/right hand squeeze ala what I've seen Todd Jarrett teach on some youtube vid.. "vice" grip on the sides of the grip with snap-cap drills.. maybe. Well.. Basically what you said.. Drill drill drill! .... Oh yeah, that vid is now linked in here.



    ... Check out right at :39 seconds what he says about incorrect gun angle in hand.. 95% of shooters hold it wrong. I'm betting also with the thick .45 grip I'm doing that to get around to the trigger. I'm gonna test that as well consciously at range.

    I gotta get some snap-caps.
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    Dude, that might be the most helpful "grip advice" video I've ever seen. Now *I* gotta get some snapcaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post
    Gun-pron! You just want gun-pron! hehehe
    If I can find the time.

    I tell ya though, since you're looking, if we coulda figured out how to ship it without it costing a fortune, beefybeefo's XD9SC was a sweeeeeet little carry 3" I was considering.. That'd be an even nicer carry piece for size alone. Looks like he's sold it finally to buy ammo for his glock. hehehe

    But as far as a .45 with nice recoil and controllability, the XD45C is a nice jack of all trades.. It's carry capable, shoot-able, great capacity, and XD build... Once it breaks me in so I can group 'em where they're supposed to go. I did get a bit spoiled with how sweet my P226 shoots with it's slick trigger.
    It's all about the gun porn. I have two buddies out of state and we're always sending each other gun pics of our latest and greatest. Good times!

    Thanks for thinkin about me and beefybeefo's XD9SC. I already have a ported XD9C. It is and always has been my best shooter. And you get awesome V-shaped flames when you shoot! Trouble is, with the ported barrel, it's not an ideal carry gun. Plus I want an XD45, and figured I could use it for carry if I get the XD45C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by up2orbit View Post
    Dude, that might be the most helpful "grip advice" video I've ever seen. Now *I* gotta get some snapcaps.
    Yeah I was messing around with the grip and noticed if I change that angle a bit, my grip hand thumb just rides the indent on the left side, and trigger finger is right in the pad part away from the 1st knuckle.. I'm thinking practice being conscious of the grip will hopefully make a difference.

    Unlike the Sig, the XD has that prominent indentation which I assume is specifically for strong-hand thumb.. It's lower than the typical manual safety location on a 1911, so it takes a bit of adjustment with the support hand grip....

    That's it.. Next one is a Para 1911! hehehe
    Can't turn a kawa or honda into a harley.. There can be only one 45 degree single-pin v-twin. I guess the same goes with semi-auto pistols.. Hard to beat Browning's original ergonomics.. Though the XD is pretty nice in it's own right.

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    I figured the gun would have to break me in, and that's exactly right. I'm still getting used to the XD's trigger pull.. I'm grouping to the left slightly at 10 yards, indicating I haven't mastered what's going on with that trigger pull... Any suggestions, I'm wide open as I'm no expert nor would I claim to be or play on on TV. I know if I take a very slooooooow conscious trigger squeeze, or a normal real-situation quick trigger pull straight through the break, I tend to shoot better with it.. I guess that's a good thing
    Break it down into 3 slow parts:

    Present (the gun)

    Touch (the trigger)

    Press (the trigger, fire *pop-pop-pop*)

    Repeat 50,000 times.

    Practice form and function, speed comes naturally after that.

    Be as fast as you can, but only as fast as you can accurately get a good hit.
    A little deviation is fine. This is not a match/bullseye shooter. It's for stopping threats. You can stop a threat just as well with 3 shots dead center or 2" off of same.

    If your groups are super tight, speed up.
    If they are too far apart, slow down.
    Your grouping should be the same at 10y and 20y.
    Respect the balance between speed and deviation and distance.

    And if at any time you become tired of your new XD, feel free to give it to me.

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    50,000 repetitions.... I better get started!
    I'll get 'em to back up the semi full of .45 acp to the door. hehehehe

    But definitely.. ain't no substitute to good conscious trigger-time.. I need to try to get in at least once per 1 or 2 wks.. That'd be nice.

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    If you need help with unloading and storage, just let me know.

    Practice draw, Presentation, Touch and Press (dry fire) at home if possible.

    It promotes muscle memory etc... I do it alot, esp if I can't get away for live fire and keeps me sharper (like a marble ) for actual training, eases things on the wallet too.

    Congrats and enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clanger View Post
    If you need help with unloading and storage, just let me know.

    Practice draw, Presentation, Touch and Press (dry fire) at home if possible.

    It promotes muscle memory etc... I do it alot, esp if I can't get away for live fire and keeps me sharper (like a marble ) for actual training, eases things on the wallet too.

    Congrats and enjoy.
    I hear ya, buddy, especially the wallet part. Soon as I get my XD45c I'll be practicing in the mirror. I just won a gunbroker auction, so it should be here next week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by up2orbit View Post
    I hear ya, buddy, especially the wallet part. Soon as I get my XD45c I'll be practicing in the mirror. I just won a gunbroker auction, so it should be here next week or so.
    Congrats and enjoy to you too!


    (my 4" is comin' soon....gona be some SEB's gettin' swiss-cheesed in a hurry..... )

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