agencies switching from SIG to M&P... why?

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      agencies switching from SIG to M&P... why?

      A friend of mine works in a federal law enforcement agency in the dept of homeland security that is in the process of switching out their SIG p229s for the M&P. Apparently this is happening throughout the federal government as well as in local law enforcement agencies. The most obvious reason for this is the savings. The M&P seems to be a fine gun and is so much cheaper, after all. I was wondering, though, if there's more to it than price. What are some distinct advantages of the M&P over the SIG for law enforcement?

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      Other than the cost I don't see an advantage. The P226 is about the most reliable semi auto I've ever seen. Why would you want to replace it ?

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      I'd say it's just the bidding war, again.

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      coast gaurd just switched all m9's to sigs p229r daktm .40cal, and man are they sweet! As a navy guy im pretty jealous rockin the ol m9...

      my guess is the switch is due to cost. sigs are great, but your paying for it.

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      I am sorry, but can someone enlighten me on how swapping an entire weapon platform, for a different weapon platform has anything to do with savings? A real world example if you please.

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      Lower Bid. I don't know if this is an advantage but the M&P is considerably lighter and has interchangeable backstraps for different size hands, but a better pistol no. Likewise, polymer frames are much less expensive to produce than aluminum or steel framed pistols.

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      Sounds like someone did a study with the outcome decided beforehand. Anyone with even a limited amount of background knows that the SIG P226/229 is a better pistol all around and will outlast the M&P too. Sounds like politics if it's true at all.

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      I'm no SIG expert (though I DID stay at a Holiday Inn last night) but aren't SIGs DA/SA? M&Ps are all DAO and maybe they figure without manual safeties or 2 different trigger pulls, they would be more efficient or easy to use. That or its just a bidding war, or its American made, etc.

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      I know why it is happening... Because the government will do anything they can to save a penny to put (which will go back in their own pockets) even if officiers are put more at risk by it...

      Now I am not dissing the M&P, its a fine firearm, however the Sig Sauer is an outstanding firearm and thats what officiers should be armed with.

      Had it been a change from the P226/ 9 to a Glock, that would be a different story considering how many lawmen carry glocks... But M&P??? LAME

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      Sounds like it's time for me to start looking for police surplus Sigs...

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      Quote Originally Posted by kg333 View Post
      Sounds like it's time for me to start looking for police surplus Sigs...

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      Well, my son tells me he's seen several P226's in apparently good shape around for about $475.00, whether it relates to this or not.

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      Current Sig production is in New Hampshire USA.....

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ra View Post
      I am sorry, but can someone enlighten me on how swapping an entire weapon platform, for a different weapon platform has anything to do with savings? A real world example if you please.
      No - There is no logical reasoning, it's just the feds spending money as usual. Oh, they will try and baffle you with figures but in the end - it's the same ol,same old. They find some lame excuse to spend money you have to pay in taxes.

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      A lot of those agencies have been carrying thier Sigs for almost 20 years. Low bidder wins when it comes to Government contracts. A little transition training and all will be well...

      I haven't heard anything bad about the current crop of M&Ps. Most of the stuff I've been hearing is about switching from "real guns" to "plastic guns", however the local Feds I've worked with that have swapped have actually seen qualification scores go up. That can't be a bad thing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ra View Post
      I am sorry, but can someone enlighten me on how swapping an entire weapon platform, for a different weapon platform has anything to do with savings? A real world example if you please.
      Real world example.....wait he said Federal Gov't agency.......

      M&P's are realnice weapons. If I were used to a Sig it would be a tough switch to make even to a good gun just to save 50 bucks a gun on 5,000 guns......yeah I know thats a 1/4 million but the fed Govt poops that away every day. spent properly its nothing. I would pitch in the extra 50 myself to have the gun I wanted.

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      My friend has 2 M&P pistols, I have the M&P 9mm full size.
      My friends 2 are nice reliable guns. Mine jams -all-the-time-. It's already been back to S&W once, and will be going back again.
      I've tried different ammo, and my firearm has jammed for several other people.
      Maybe I just got a "bad one". But right now, I wish I had a Sig or XDM.

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      They are going to M&Ps because it's better then anything out there,esp. a Glock. Oh,and it's American made!

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      The NC Highway Patrol switched to S&W and the guys I know don't like them from their Sig's. Several have mentioned they are junk compared to the Sig and from what I hear it was all about price, which is not surprising.

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      Folks...regardless of your rationalizations...these idiots are still spending money - your money! Whether it's a 1/4 million or a quarter - it's your money and not the Federal Governments and guess what - they spent all of your money along time ago now they are spending future tax money that they don't have and you haven't worked for yet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what they carry now.If they want to change out weapons then do it by attrition. It's like buying Christmas presents on a credit card - you still have to pay the price and they can't. Common sense becomes uncommon very quickly when spending other peoples money.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mook012 View Post
      Folks...regardless of your rationalizations...these idiots are still spending money - your money! ... If they want to change out weapons then do it by attrition.
      I agree - if you have 100 firearms in your small department and they are all functioning perfectly, where is the impetus to replace them all? They're not leased - its not like the payment is going to be lower or the ammo costs cheaper. This has got to be some form of lobbying or quid pro quo.

      Or am I missing something? If they replaced them by attrition, then yes, the armourer will have 2 platforms to support - extra cost? Maybe. Minimal. In law enforcement is there a practice of replacing all fireamrs every X years for reliability reasons?

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