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    Quote Originally Posted by cwl1862 View Post
    Hey PX think ya better go back and re-read my post I'm not knocking anyones quality, especially S&W. I own several New and old. Just saying Smith & Wessons are a little overpriced of late. jmo
    So is everything else. The cheapest Chevy I can buy new cost $7,000 more than my Dad paid for a his three bedroom house. Don't go shopping for a Buick and expect to pay Hyundai prices! I agree that the prices for the "exotic metals super flyweights" are insane, but you can still buy the standard Stainlessss Steel and Airweights at a competitive price.

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    I own several models of S&W handguns and one carbine. I have only experienced one malfunction on any of the S&W firearms. It was actually a friend of mine that was firing my Sigma. He limp-wristed the pistol when firing it and it failed to feed one round. That could have happened on any pistol. The S&W products definitely show a long history of firearm manufacturing experience. They show attention to problems and the needs of gun owners. The external extractor on their 1911s is a good example of that. I cannot speak on their customer service because I have never needed to contact them for any issues. I would definitely recommend their firearms for anybody looking to pick up a quality gun in the mid price range.

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    I get and read about 6 different "GUN" mags . I've never heard of this Chuck guy, so he must be some "Minor nobody" who's really upset about his less than zero stature in the world. I mean really... "let's complain about things that might have occurred decades ago" When the Brit's or Bangor-Punta ran the shop. I have and do own many Smith revolvers and I shoot them alot and have since the 70s and for the most part I am pleased with their products. Others must likeways be happy or they would cease to sell enough products to stay in business( like when the brits made their deal with Bill and his gang of thugs in the 90s) So I'll keep on shooting my Smiths and Rugers and chuck can keep on crying about the unfairness of(his) life......

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    Revolvers require far more exacting machine work than semi-auto pistols.

    When I got into shooting it was a toss up on where to get your gun: S & W or Colt.

    Chief's special, or Detective's special? Five rounds or six rounds?

    The quality was about the same.

    Only the Python stood out.

    Colt is out of the revolver business. To my mind S & W is at the top of the pile in terms of quality; followed by Ruger, and then either Charter Arms or Rossi. With the tail end carried by Taurus.

    As for copying, I think you can make a case for Ruger filching ideas from all over the place. The LCP and the LC9 come to mind. I can't recall which made the first resin framed revolver. Certainly one of them copied the other.

    Glock is considered the father of resin framed pistols. But is stole the idea from H & K who produced one about a decade earlier.

    Certainly S & W stole the "Judge" idea from Taurus and came out with the Govenor.

    Taurus seems to have the most good ideas lately but then they sabotage them with their shoddy production quality.

    I think it is OK to borrow ideas if you execute very well. Certainly the Govenor will be a better quality revolver than the Judge.

    How many companies have ripped off Browning's designs?

    How many companies have ripped off AK47 designs?

    How many companies have ripped off AR16 designs?

    I'll stick with S & W for revolvers. I like the dark side. I live there.

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    Chuck Hawk

    Who the hell is he? Never heard of him! S&W Rules. Revolver and Semi's!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcopper View Post
    Who the hell is he? Never heard of him! S&W Rules. Revolver and Semi's!!!!
    He's a TROLL !

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    i don't want to get another S&W except maybe the 629
    anyway these idiots put a cylinder mark on a gold engraved west point commerative class pistol all the way around
    i was so ticked off
    this was a case gun and the idiots fired all chambers and made a ring all around the cylinder
    so much for spending $1500 for a gold engraved case gun from S&W

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    I have loved every S&W I have ever owned. (about 10) in fact, I could kick myself for selling most of them, but as a young man, I had to sell one to buy one. I bough a couple through our PD trade-in's and stole them. (new in the box 2.5 inch model 66 for $170) I sold the 66 for $350 and kick myself every time I think about it.

    Anyway, this guy obviously has some kind of grudge. As for me, a S&W 5906 saved my life on a couple of occasions, including an on-duty shooting, so who cares what he thinks?

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    The author of this link obviously has an axe to grind. I have two S&W revolvers, a 629 and a 686. I'm always carrying one or the other into the back country for fly fishing. I've never had to fire one and I hope I never do. I've put a lot of rounds through both at the range and never had an issue.

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    Wow-old thread,but a good one.Im a Huge Smith fan and own a 686-1.If Im not mistaken those were made somewhere in the mid to late 80's?? Many many many rounds and never a problem.It is still tight and shoots better than it ever has.Anything that has moving parts will eventually need fixing/servicing and things always have a chance of breaking.What is more important to me- S&W are awesome when it comes to customer service.Though Ive never dealt with them a friend of mine has-they took care of him no questions asked.And more stories like that are well documented.Though I prefer the older S&W handguns,I wouldnt hesitate to pick up a newer one I liked it.

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    The guy is so full of himself it is leaking out. The "I" is because S&W bought Thomson Center who made an "ICON" rifle.

    Send me a PM and I will give you my FFL info so you can send my your junk S&W's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk View Post
    The guy is so full of himself it is leaking out. The "I" is because S&W bought Thomson Center who made an "ICON" rifle.

    Send me a PM and I will give you my FFL info so you can send my your junk S&W's.

    Don't hold back......Tell us how you really feel.

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    I own 3 S&W revolvers, two .38's and a .22 - all K Masterpieces. None have ever malfunctioned and the quality is top notch. I sent one .38 back for reconditioning a few years back, it was returned with a note saying please accept this at no charge from S&W. I have no complaints whatsoever about S&W.

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    I've shot out 2, 6" M19's a 2 1/2" M19 to the point they wouldn't work. That took about 2500 rounds of .357 loads, I also shot out a Taurus whatever, basically a M19. The K frame is fine of .38 Specials but no more (unless you don't shoot much). The N frame .357 is great, a little heavy, but great. I don't own a Smith now, probably won't ever again. I'd have to agree with the article and I DO remember the deal made with Clinton. Not good. The M39 and 59 were abominations by the way.

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    Who's Chuck Hawkes?

    Smith & Wesson does not "machine" their frames, they are castings. So much for being a gun expert.

    The whole, entire, 38 Special +P thing is a bunch of hogwash. Period. In any gun. If you don't think so, then without going in to lots details ask yourself: with the number of lawyers eager to take up liability cases in this country, why would any gun maker market a 38 Special that was not safe to shoot 38 Special ammunition? Or, why would any ammunition maker produce and market 38 Special ammunition that produced pressures in excess of the SAAMI maximum specified for the caliber? Would the lawyers representing such an ammunition manufacturer allow them to do this?
    This whole "is my gun safe with +P ammunition" thing has to stop (unless you're talking some of the cheap imported guns) A lot of the so-called +P ammunition being made today chronographs right around, or sometimes even less than 900 fps out of a 4 inch barreled revolver, this I know first hand as a fact. Open up the cylinder after firing and many of the empties of so-called +P ammunition will shake out of the cylinder. Idiots like CH perpetuating this myth ought to do some real research once in a while instead of parroting what they hear from others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redtail View Post
    Who's Chuck Hawkes?
    He's a gun guy with a web site who manages to write long articles without coming off as obnoxious.

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    I'm through buying guns, but only because I live on Social Security and can't afford to anymore. Only one Smith I owned, a 411, was later than 1990 vintage. I currently own only two, a 1990 Model 640 (my EDC) and a 1966 Model 10-5. I like the older ones. And no Smith handgun I have ever owned has ever given me the slightest trouble. A Model 15-8 I have since given to my son and his boys was single sweetest handgun, pistol or revolver, I've ever owned. As for the copying thing, look at the innumerable copies of S&W revolvers that have been manufactured forever in Argentina, Spain, Belgium and heaven knows where else. Take a stroll through A. B. Zhuk's Illustrated Encyclopedia Of Handguns, which arranges them by country of manufacture. It'll be an eye-opener that Hawks probably hasn't experienced.

    In fact , you should get a copy of that book anyway if you're interested in handgun history around the world.

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    Gettin a little long in the tooth and will be 68 this coming Aug. Will never be known as a big gun collector or owner as total is around a dozen. Most are are revolvers and with few exception all are Smiths. Every brand of firearm will have it's followers. Never forget that one man's rose is another man's poison. Really don't care enough to challange anyone's veiwpoint on guns! I'm more than satified with Smith's products and will continue to purchase them. Should you think that I'm just an old fool because I didn't purchase another brand that you think is better, best I can think of is "Well, Bless your heart". (now go play)

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    Most people agree S&W revolvers are outstanding.

    Well I'll tell you that their M&P line is "outstanding" too

    IMHO


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    I find this hard to believe I have several S&Ws and have not had a minutes problem with any of them.

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