I think fatal shots would be real life. This information came from actual shootings. Comparing results of one caliber to another in real life shooting is what the writer is calling a test. I am sure you will have something else to say as you always seem to want to have the last word in any thread you post in. Is there a name for that condition?
For the people that don't know much about the .357 Sig and are just guessing that it is nothing but a 9mm +p+ you really should study the round before spreading false information. Below on the left is a Speer Gold Dot 124 grain 9mm +P and on the right is a Speer Gold Dot 125 grain .357 Sig. As you can see they are made different because the .357 Sig. Was designed at 1450 fps.
Full power .357 Sig. is a bad ass round that most people have never shot because the watered down stuff is what is sold to the general public most of the time. I am glad that the .357 Sig. is a pretty well kept secret and full power ammo is hard to find.
Does that appear to say that the .357 sig is nothing more than a 9mm+p+? No, it doesn't. It's pretty clear, I'll not explain further.
Oooo! The bullets "look different!" Well, that is pretty danged scientific. Heck, in that case we'll just ignore the actual ballistics then.
The .357 Sig is simply an incremental improvement over the the 9 mm Luger. Nothing more. Open up a reloading book and actually look at the numbers yourself. Yeah, there's some improvement over the 9mm Luger, but they didn't exactly redefine pistol ballistics for the 21st Century. Like I stated earlier in the thread, Sig pretty much reinvented the .38 Super (woohoo!) Sure, now it fits in the smaller frame pistols, but it's hardly revolutionary. It's certainly not worth getting all worked up over.
It now becomes a personal decision as to whether it's actually worth the added cost and inconvenience. Opinions vary of course, but I don't think it is.
I like the round just fine. Will I buy a gun chambered for it? - probably not, because there are plenty of other options that make better sense, in my opinion, and will accomplish about the same in a self-defense chambering, if fired enough times into the correct location. I liken it to the 10mm, which I do have one of - it's a powerful round that probably has a couple of advantages over other rounds for certain specified circumstances, but it isn't what everybody needs for every circumstance.
For example, most people who fear running into a grizzly bear want one of the 'super' magnum revolvers, whereas I believe I would prefer a hot-loaded G-20 10mm, because one round of anything is not enough for a charging bear, and my personal belief is that I would be able to get more lead into a moving target with a G-20 than with a S&W 500.
It's all theoretical, and everybody has their own way of thinking that other folks can logically disagree with.
Well, I was finally able to visit the range this morning without freezing some of my better parts off. :smt002
First, my fifty .357 SIG handloads consisted of Speer brass, Speer 125 grain TMJ bullets, a moderate charge of HS-6 powder, and WSP primers.
I discharged the first fifteen rounds at a document sized human silhouette target at twenty feet with both excitement blended with a bit of apprehension, considering this was a first with the .357 SIG for me. But I was delighted with the superb results. Accuracy was excellent. Power level was comfortable to shoot. Reliability was flawless. Consistency was remarkable.
I then backed off to thirty feet to hammer a steel bowling pin target with excellent results. Even though it's totally different fodder than the .40 I'm familiar with, there was no need to readjust the rear sight on my G35.
Yes, indeed, I am highly impressed with the performance of the .357 SIG... And now my wife wants to shoot it, so I'd better be loading a lot more ammo.
It should be needless for me now to say the .357 SIG rates a YES on the poll. But I'll say it anyway.
Im a 357 sig nut. I have Glock 31, 32, 33 and 35 converted to 357sig with Lone wolf barrel. Its like a 1911 in 357sig. I recently acquired the Sig Nightmare carry 1911 in 357 and love it as well. Oh I forgot to mention my P226 Enhanced Elite in 357.
I hand load and just know like stated earlier, I would hate to be on the receiving end of the 357sig.
A sig Nightmare in 357 Sig. Did not know they even started to make them. Have never seen one. Did you have to special order it?
I have been on the 357 Sig since they came out. Had one ordered when they first stared making them. It is a P229. Got a 40S&W barrel for it.
That was a waste...Shoot the 357 much more..
A sig Nightmare in 357 Sig. Did not know they even started to make them. Have never seen one. Did you have to special order it?
I have been on the 357 Sig since they came out. Had one ordered when they first stared making them. It is a P229. Got a 40S&W barrel for it.
That was a waste...Shoot the 357 much more..
Several years ago I bought a Glock Mod. 31. When I first fired it, I expected more recoil. That polymer frame really soaks up quite a bit of it. It doesn't seem to recoil much more than a 9mm but it does have more flash. I like having one holster for the 17, 22 & 31.
Shooting and training regularly means shooting accurately. I would love to own this caliber but I simply can't afford it. From what I read the .40 is pretty close. I'm actually considering getting a p226 with .357 sig conversion.
When the SIG round first came out I had a P226 and I used .40 cases necked (Neck too short) initially, then 10mm's necked and trimmed (various problems) finally native .357 SIG brass.
It's a capable round but the muzzle blast and sheer volume in the little SIG pistol was deafening especially with factory ammo. I got a .357 Sig barrel for my Colt Gold Cup Delta Elite and the blast and noise were much better. My Beretta barrel had a chamber issue and I never got around to working up a load but the 5" barrel on it also tamed the fierce blast. I still have the Beretta barrel somewhere but haven't used it much in 15-20 years?
I never liked loading little pistol necked cartridges, I had a 5 stage press where I would size the body once with a .40 carbide die, then the neck with a SIG die, it made loading tolerable.
Anyway some major police agency down here is using it because I see thousands of rounds of brass on the field after they train.
All things being equal if I were to start diddling with a hi performance 9 it would be the 9x25 Dillon. That's a full length 10mm case (I have lots of that) with a 9 mm 147 grain bullet which might get 1500 fps. For that I'd get a double stack Para and STAND BACK!!!
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