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    Well, I went to looking at my two again and when I run my thumbnail down that part of the rail you can feel a change in the channel. I can't really see it being mine are not stainless but you can feel a little difference in that part of the slide rail. Also if you run your finger down the outside edge of that rail you will feel where it goes in a little in that same spot. It's the same on my 229 and my 226. And both my Sigs are made in the 90's

    Take your thumb and fore finger and run them down both rails at the same time on that outside edge. you can feel where it moves in a little in the same spot you are showing that groove.

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    Hello everyone please allow me to introduce myself!

    I am new here, and I saw this thread. My SIG P229R was bought new last month and has only about 220 rounds through it (9mm) and I also have that groove or scratches on the rail, only it's on the other side of the gun, opposite the de-cocking lever, etc.

    I can see where the black nitron finish has been worn away and I can see shiny metal underneath on the bottom of the frame rail.

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    I looked at mine last night (228, 232, 225) and did not see any gouging. Starting to sound like it might actually be a 220 thing given some of the other feedback and pics here. I agree that looks like a tool mark left by a wheel and for the life of me studying the design cannot imagine a practical intentional purpose for it but Sig knows how to make a good handgun and I do not. Looks suspicious to me and I think you were right to question it but if it's common and people are not having function or durability problems directly attributed to it then not much can be done I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuefelhunden View Post
    I looked at mine last night (228, 232, 225) and did not see any gouging. Starting to sound like it might actually be a 220 thing given some of the other feedback and pics here. I agree that looks like a tool mark left by a wheel and for the life of me studying the design cannot imagine a practical intentional purpose for it but Sig knows how to make a good handgun and I do not. Looks suspicious to me and I think you were right to question it but if it's common and people are not having function or durability problems directly attributed to it then not much can be done I guess.
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    Yeah, certainly seems odd..but it is apparently intentional. It was driving me nuts! But others have come forward and seen the same groove gouge on their P220s. Don't know what purpose it serves either. Makes no sense....SIG swears its on their P220s and is "normal and by design."

    Anyone feel free to post more pics and discussion but I'm satified now.

    Long live the Sig P220 (and the strange gouging groove..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Wallet View Post
    Hello everyone please allow me to introduce myself!

    I am new here, and I saw this thread. My SIG P229R was bought new last month and has only about 220 rounds through it (9mm) and I also have that groove or scratches on the rail, only it's on the other side of the gun, opposite the de-cocking lever, etc.

    I can see where the black nitron finish has been worn away and I can see shiny metal underneath on the bottom of the frame rail.
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    Welcome! Nice to have you aboard.

    Try and grab a camera and take a pic of the groove gouge you see.--I'm sure others would be interested in seeing. Set camera to close-up and alternate with/without flash to see the best pic. Try natural sunlight like I did. This worked much better for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ka-chow View Post
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    Welcome! Nice to have you aboard.

    Try and grab a camera and take a pic of the groove gouge you see.--I'm sure others would be interested in seeing. Set camera to close-up and alternate with/without flash to see the best pic. Try natural sunlight like I did. This worked much better for me.
    I just looked at my friend's .40 P229 and he has almost the exact same wear on the rails, except it's on both sides of the gun.

    His gun is older than mine, and I think has seen way more rounds than mine.

    It actually looks like normal wear and tear people. And according to my friend, the gun shoots just fine.


    I'm not worried about it.

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    Ka-chow-

    I went out shooting with some buddies today, low and behold one of them had a p220. It was an older 2 tone model with nickel slide and fire controls. I pulled the slide off the frame... and there it was, the same machining mark that yours has. Exact same in shape and size!

    Your biggest problem now in life, is that endless supply of .45!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YFZsandrider View Post
    Ka-chow-

    I went out shooting with some buddies today, low and behold one of them had a p220. It was an older 2 tone model with nickel slide and fire controls. I pulled the slide off the frame... and there it was, the same machining mark that yours has. Exact same in shape and size!

    Your biggest problem now in life, is that endless supply of .45!
    Hey, thanks again for checking! May the gouge live on!

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    Well I looked at mine again today with better lighting and guess what? It too DOES have that same groove in the rail as you do. I can't get a better pic of it with my camera but if you look closely it is there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellojacket View Post
    Well I looked at mine again today with better lighting and guess what? It too DOES have that same groove in the rail as you do. I can't get a better pic of it with my camera but if you look closely it is there...
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    YeaH, I thought I saw the groove on your lower pic you took. Guess it's on blued AND stainless P220 models. Really strange.

    I can't for the life of me figure out why...but...I guess, " if it ain't broken don't fix it!"


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    I don't recall what the failure was and don't want to spread any mis-information.

    Well, good that those were machine marks and not blemishes...and that SIG wasn't BSing you on the matter too.

    I guess it just won't be known for a while what SIG is really pumping out of their factories right now. I still have faith in their std models, but won't be buying any .22 from them in the near future unless I read plenty of positive reports.

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    The only Sig I've had trouble with is my new 232 and that may be because of the ammo available. I have not shot any American made full metal jacket ammo in the gun because none is available in my area. I don't think Sig is "losing it," although any manufacturing company suffers from expansion in the area of quality control, and Sig has been very busy for a few years.

    All my Sigs, except the one mentioned above perform flawlessly. I've bought them all within the last 4 years. Excepting the 232 mentioned above, my most recent buy was the 229 Elite in .40. Beautiful piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Wallet View Post
    I just looked at my friend's .40 P229 and he has almost the exact same wear on the rails, except it's on both sides of the gun.

    His gun is older than mine, and I think has seen way more rounds than mine.

    It actually looks like normal wear and tear people. And according to my friend, the gun shoots just fine.


    I'm not worried about it.
    Wear on the rails is normal and more pronounced, in my experience, in .357 Sig.

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    I have been around guns all my working life. I am a NRA instructor for about 20 years now, and have worked in and around law enforcement all that time. I am also a machinist and have worked tool and die issues. For the last few years I have carried and shot a P226 in 357 Sig...many thousand rounds. I have just purchased a P220 Super Match and have spent range time with it just yesterday. In my opinion, you can find no better hand gun than Sig Sauer. Period. If you have one that has come out of the USA production factory look at the inside of the slide. You can study it and be very hard-pressed to find any machine marks or swerals. The fit to finish is as good as a custom built gun. They all are. The function and fire is such that they will eat anything and give a lifetime of superb accuracy. The trigger is one of a kind SWEET in this day and age of " lawyer triggers " Sig has had some problems, though mainly minor on some of their hand guns, as they are new offerings they may have a bug now and again. They will stand behind their products and make it right. Every manufacturer has the same problems. All in all I find them superb, and I stake my life on them. Good shooting, Gary.

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