On the difference between the DA Sig trigger and the Glock, the Glock is MUCH easier to pull than the Sig while in DA...
Unless the Glock is in a holster that covers the trigger, I don't feel safe carrying it with one in the pipe... But, that may be just me...
My Walther P99 has a DA/SA trigger pull, and I carry it with one in the pipe in the DA mode. Never in the SA position, just like my Sig's...
There are several likely scenarios where U will only be able to use 1 hand to get the gun to fire - or, U will only have TIME to get the gun to fire. If someone walks up to U in a parking lot w/ a gun, and demands your money or they will kill U. I'd like to see U pull out that gun in time, work the slide, and still fire before they do. Time is the consideration there.
Or, same scenario, and they are w/i reach. Feign getting your wallet - go for your gun, and use your offhand to push theirs away just for the second U need to fire.
This is why I carry with one in the pipe AND a full mag. The sig sytem with the internal safeties give me the confidence of a reduced chance for an accident. An empty chamber is worthless in a stressful combat situation.
Yes! The Sig in the SA mode has a very fine and light trigger pull. One of the finest of any DA/SA pistol out there. The Glock has more of a double action feel to it and requires much more travel to fire. It's hard to explain, since there is really no comparison between the two. I have both and would never consider carrying the Sig in SA mode, in any manor...
The Glock gives me the EBG's however, if it's not in a holster that covers the trigger guard completely... I think Glocks are inherently more dangerous because of their triggers, but with good carry practices, they are as safe as any thing else...
The only one I can think of, and the only one I ever have carried cocked was the 1911, with the safety on (locked)...
Why would you want to carry a DA/SA in the SA mode? That's why it has the DA feature...
I keep my USPc cocked and locked - it is DA/SA - but, it has a frame safety just like a 1911. I would not keep a DA/SA cocked with a slide mounted safety, however.
Last edited by Shipwreck; 10-06-2006 at 10:15 PM.
Sorry about my incorrect information on the Glock trigger pulls; I was thinking about Smith's Sigma series.
Anyway, the way I see it there's a greater chance of me using the fact that my chamber is free to my advantage than of me using a loaded chamber to my advantage.
I think if I'm racing against time to the point where racking my slide makes a difference, I'm probably screwed already; because I can cock a gun while I'm still pulling it up.
Now, if my sigpro had a safety that would be a different story, I'd probably just keep it locked. But having the trigger down isn't enough to satisfy my nerves...
Last edited by FUBAR; 10-08-2006 at 11:29 AM.
My thoughts are to use whatever safety is on the gun your'e carrying. Just be familiar with that gun intimately before putting it into carry rotation. If it's a Glock, you've got the 3 safeties that disengage, just keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. Same thing with Sigs. When it's an H&K, carry loaded with one in the chamber, with the safety on, same with Berettas and 3rd gen Smiths, etc. Make maximum use of the design of the gun.
The purpose of carrying a weapon is negated if you can't get it into play fast enough. Under pressure, racking a slide is difficult and slow, unless you've practiced it so much that it's incredibly fast. It's not the way the designers intended the gun to be carried. They envisioned carrying with one in the pipe and decocked.
So using the design features of the gun maximizes the chance the weapon serves its intended purpose.
I keep getting flack about carrying a 1911 in Condition Two. The pros are right, it needs to be carried Condition One. I'm not comfortable like that, so I just don't carry the 1911. Solves that problem nicely.
If you're to the point where you have to pull your weapon, I'd think the next step is to be ready to shoot to stop the attack. Intimidation is probably not going to work at that point.
That's a rambling post, but you get my point....
I also love how the decocker in teh Sig is slow and deliberate...ever activated the decocker in the Beretta PX4? Hehe...point it down when you do!!!
Yes there is a difference. Because the Glock trigger has 1/2 inch of travel and a 5.5 lb trigger pull (for the standard models), it is considered a double action pistol. With the Sig cocked, there is a lighter trigger pull (5.0 lbs according to the website specs) and less trigger travel. I have shot Glocks in competition and Sigs at the indoor range. There is definitely a difference in my opinion and I would not want to be carrying a Sig cocked and unlocked. While the trigger pull may be close in the specs, the glock trigger feels considerably heavier for me than a cocked Sig. There is also a distinct difference in my experience with the trigger travel. I might also note that in USPSA competition, it is permissible to holster guns that have a cocked and locked mode, such as 1911s and double action pistols, such as Glocks. But, if you are shooting a gun like a Sig or a Beretta that has an external hammer and no safety to engage when the gun is cocked, you are not permitted to holster the gun cocked because it is considered an unsafe situation. It must be holstered with the hammer down.
The SigPro is a DA/ SA and as such is designed to be carried with one in the chamber and the hammer down. The double action trigger on the SigPro is heavy enough to prevent accidental discharges in the hands of anyone who trains properly with it. Besides, with the hammer decocked on a live round you can still quickly cock the hammer if you need that sweet, light single action trigger (if you have the time!).
I'm assuming that you have your carry permit. I'm surprised that the instructor who licensed you didn't go over this sort of stuff, but maybe they didn't for legal reasons. If you need to draw your weapon in self-defense you will almost certainly have next to zero time to make things happen. In less than the time it takes to think about it an assailant, even unarmed or wielding a knife, can close a distance of seven yards or more. The point to having a gun is that it's a force multiplier; it means not having to defend yourself at contact distances. If you draw your weapon and point it at a legitimate threat and they still remain a threat (ie coming towards you, cornering you, bringing an edged or contact weapon to bear on you, pointing their own gun at you) you should have a gun in your hand that will go BANG without any more fiddling with it. If you need it you will need it very badly and very quickly.
What I'm saying is, an assailant with 'only a bat or a knife' or even an unarmed assailant who is larger, stronger, or simply enraged/ drunk/ high can almost certainly do you serious damage before you can make your weapon ready to fire.
Drawing your weapon is a big decision and firing it is an even bigger one; you don't need extra stuff to think about / do if this happens.
That said, training is vital. Don't carry your SigPro with a live round in the chamber until you are truly comfortable doing so. Be absolutely familiar with the manual of arms of your weapon. I strongly recommend that you seek professional training if you are uncomfortable.
Last edited by kenjihara; 01-30-2007 at 03:27 PM.
I have no problem drawing and cocking the hammer at the same time...practice it (with empty gun) and see how easy it is. This way i always have a nice SA Pull.
To answer your question; it is essentially the same just that on the glock you have the additional "safety" built into your trigger.