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    If it weren't for the prospect of paying $50 each for magazines, and the dearth of Galco holsters, I'd seriously consider a P7 for carry.

    I agree that quality isn't cheap, but for a difference of $800/5000 rounds, I'll take the plastic gun that's 3/8" longer. That's assuming the PF9 is reliable, but I see that a dealer in Phoenix is selling them NIB for a lousy $265. For that price, I'll take chance and give it a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    If it weren't for the prospect of paying $50 each for magazines, and the dearth of Galco holsters, I'd seriously consider a P7 for carry.
    Got plenty of mags and the way I see it, if you can afford the gun, the price of mags shouldn't be an issue. Kinda like buying a fancy car and whining about cost of high-octance fuel. Also, regarding holsters, I have no issues getting properly fit ones for my P7's. DelFatti or Mitch Rosen take very good care of things in that dept for me. Again, quality counts even though it costs a bit more.

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    I would be summarily shot if I showed up at work with a non-Galco holster.

    I like to have lots of mags. I'd end up spending the price of the gun again in magazines at $50 a pop. Nice gun...but not that nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    John Farnam says the trigger is somewhat improved over the P3AT, which if true may be a good thing, though Ruger's history with triggers doesn't make me exactly hopeful.
    Kinda weird to quote myself, but what the heck. I examined a Ruger LCP at Galco yesterday. The trigger action was indistinguishable from the one on my P3AT.

    I grant that it is aesthetically more appealing than the P3AT, but I do not give a damn about aesthetics on a gun I carry in my pocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I am sure Ruger will let us know when they are going to copy the KelTec PF9 or Kahr PM9.

    The LCP would never stand up to 9mm, since it's basically the same as the P3AT.

    Nah they're too busy getting ready to copy a 1911 or something. Oh no wait, that's already been done by dozens of companies but little ole me forgot nobody whines about that.

    Regarding a LCP9 or SR9C...I doubt it for the LCP9 but do have on pretty good authority there's plans for a compact model of the SR9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blkhawk73 View Post
    Oh no wait, that's already been done by dozens of companies but little ole me forgot nobody whines about that.
    Not whining, just wondering why people are excited about a straight-up copy of an existing design.

    But then again, I didn't get excited in 1985 when Springfield brought in their first Imbel 1911A1s to compete with the Colt Government Model. And look what happened there!
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    Alright, I have a question for everyone: I've heard people say that the LCP platform could obviously never handle the 9mm round. I disagree, but I'm not sure I fully understand the issue. Here's what I've learned:

    The difference in length between 9mm and .380 is 1.8mm. In the overall length of the 2.75" barrel, I think this is negligible (same goes for the extra grip length that would be needed for 9x19 rounds instead of 9x17 rounds).

    The difference in width at the base of the brass (because 9mm is tapered) is 0.43mm. In the overall width of the gun (0.82" = 20.82mm), this seems to be negligible.

    The maximum chamber pressure rated by SAAMI for .380 is 21,500psi, whereas 9mm is rated at about 35,000psi. This is a significant difference, and results in a bullet with about 40% more kinetic energy out of the 9mm. Let's explore this, too:

    It seems to me that dealing with more kinetic energy being imparted to the slide is just a matter of having stiffer springs, and a shooter who's willing to take the punishment of that energy on the tiny LCP grip. Fine - seems doable.

    I also figured that maybe the chamber would need to be thicker to hold the pressure. However, the 9mm Kel Tec PF9 is only 0.88" wide - only 0.03" wider on each side of the chamber (if the extra width is in the chamber) than the LCP. This suggests that a 9mm can be made just as slim as the LCP.

    So, can anyone tell me why the LCP couldn't be made in 9mm? It's not very obvious to me.

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    +1 Blkhawk73

    I got the feeling - just bashing for bashings sake.

    Not real helpful or constructive either.


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