My brother and I spent several hours at the range yesterday. During a pause in the shooting, my brother directed my attention to the ceiling directly in front of the firing bench. The sound proofing in the first 15 to 20 feet was littered with bullet holes also some of the lighting fixture covers had a few holes in them. This appears to me as mis-handling of a fire arm. Kind of scary that some shooters either did not read the instructions or are just not paying attention to what they are doing.
I wouldn't attribute this kind of stuff so quickly to shooters who are irresponsible or dont know what they are doing tho. Out of context we cant tell where the bullet holes came from, could be 100% accidental
The more we a shooters pass judgement among eachother the more bullets we give for neo facists liberals to try and take our arms away. Stupid shooters need to be put down but there aren't as many idiots with guns as you might think IMO, and if you think there are alot of idiots with LEGAL guns, then we should have our guns taken away. But this is not the case most shooters are smart educated and honest people
We are a predominantly urban society these days and prone to be book educated and short on experience and common sense. Most ranges have holes in the roof. Places I lived where the people grew up handling firearms and were far from medical help were much safer. Check out the roof at 12 seconds on this little remote range.
.... The sound proofing in the first 15 to 20 feet was littered with bullet holes also some of the lighting fixture covers had a few holes in them. This appears to me as mis-handling of a fire arm....
you are exactly correct
Originally Posted by jakeleinen1
I wouldn't attribute this kind of stuff so quickly to shooters who are irresponsible or dont know what they are doing tho. Out of context we cant tell where the bullet holes came from, could be 100% accidental.....
we know EXACTLY where the bullets holes came from.... they are a result of a bullet leaving the muzzle of a gun and the only thing that causes bullets to strike those areas, or any other area is that the finger was squeezing the trigger while the gun was pointed at it..... this is NOT an accident, it is NEGLIGENT and 100% avoidable.....
is it your contention that every one of those holes was made by a gun that fell and discharged? the dropped gun theory?
I don't go to indoor ranges any more. If you do, just sit back and watch the accidents waiting to happen. I feel safer in the slums of a big city than I do at indoor ranges. Go out west and look at some of the little outdoor ranges in rural areas. No holes except in the target backstops. It isn't the gun that shoots the holes, it's the people who do not respect the weapon or their fellow shooter.
I have seen holes in the ceiling of public indoor ranges and have always wondered how that was possible?? Are there really that many careless people, bad shots, etc. Hard to believe! Is it possible that some of these ranges are having problems with bullet ricochet. Which would also be a scarey thought, but better than thinking that there are scores of individuals who come to the range and start shooting the ceiling. I honestly don't know how the holes in the ceiling happen, but have been in indoor ranges often and have never witnessed someone shooting the ceiling. Though I have seen some that I worried my shoot anything but the target!
I go to a very fine indoor range, but I'd have to say I've seen the same thing, and of course it's due to stupidity. Idiots are everywhere, my friends, including in the world of shooting. We need to be on our toes all the time, period.
Nothing wrong with an indoor range if you buy the whole place for one hour of "just ME and MY gun".
I believe it is much safer to drive out to my favorite spot in the National Forest. On a dirt road. With the last mile a REAL 4wd only "road". The last 1/2 mile trail isn't even a "road".
The road would be a "fancy suburban SUV" killer. So I don't see any other people. It does cost one hour's worth of gasoline. Worth it to keep out the riff-raff.
And I can practice anything I want. Including real practice from my EDC rig. I do keep my trauma pack with QuikClot real handy.
At the indoor range where I used to shoot there were florescent tubes mounted on the ceiling. The ceiling height was about 10 feet.
A friend of mine (not all friends are good shooters) actually confessed and paid for a shot out tube that was half way down range. That would have been about a 20 degree angle off the point of aim. And this in a range that did not allow rapid fire.
I told him that I would never had confessed. I would have left the money anonymously--but I would never have admitted to miss by that much.
Couple months ago my dad, girlfriend and I were at our indoor range and these guys next to us kept getting hit with ricochets. After a while a ricochet came back nailed one of the guys right on his nose by the nostril. It stuck in his nose. They went our into the store area and the guys behind the counter were trying to pry it out with a pair of needle nose pliers. If i was that guy i would have told them to f**k off I'm going to the hospital.
If the steel backing is not quite thick enough it will dimple from heavy ammo. If your round hits one of these dimples it will riccochet instead of being deflected down into the sand pit. (Assuming that your range was designed like my old range was with an angled steel plate that deflected rounds into a sand pit in front of the plate.)
Armor piecing rounds and some heavy rifle rounds will easily dimple the lighter gage plates. Our old range only allowed lead bullets because the plate was too light. They later upgraded to heavier plates but would not allow any rifle rounds because of the dimpling issue.
Another possible reason is that there is inadequate amounts of sand in the pit, or that the lead bullets have not been raked out frequently enough.