Walther PPS

There is a Walther PPS forum/website. From reading the posts there, the PPS in 9mm is a perfectly reliable weapon. The same weapon in .40 chambering has be plagued with problems with failure to eject and failure to feed. The weapon was designed from the beginning to accommodate both calibers, but the 9mm was brought out first (without the same issues that are affecting the .40).

I would wait a while before ordering a PPS in .40; but I would be comfortable buying a PPS in 9mm now.

I am certain that Walther will resolve the issues with the .40s but until they do, for me at any rate, this is a 9mm weapon only. Once I learned that, I lost interest in the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Packard

There is a Walther PPS forum/website. From reading the posts there, the PPS in 9mm is a perfectly reliable weapon. The same weapon in .40 chambering has be plagued with problems with failure to eject and failure to feed. The weapon was designed from the beginning to accommodate both calibers, but the 9mm was brought out first (without the same issues that are affecting the .40).

I would wait a while before ordering a PPS in .40; but I would be comfortable buying a PPS in 9mm now.

I am certain that Walther will resolve the issues with the .40s but until they do, for me at any rate, this is a 9mm weapon only. Once I learned that, I lost interest in the weapon.

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I frequent both the Walther Forums website and also the PPS Talk website and I would say that you are grossing misrepresenting the situation with the PPS in .40 S&W.

For one thing, you are extremely off-base in your description of when the different calibers of the PPS were introduced. The original 9mm PPS came out in the Spring of 2007. I bought one of them in in February 2008. I later purchased a PPS in .40 S&W in July of 2008 The PPS in .40 S&W began shipping in the USA in the Spring of 2008, roughly one year after the 9mm PPS was in distribution. So the 9mm PPS has been around for just over 4 years, and the .40 PPS has been around for just over 3 years. The .40 caliber model is not at all a new gun. Not by an means.

I've been shooting my fine for a long time now.

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But there are many threads there on the .40 with issues and almost none on the 9mm in that regard.

The conclusion that a reader would draw from that is that there are issues with the .40 caliber weapons. Several of the threads were current so it sounds like it is on-going. What percentage this represents? I have no idea.

But if I wasn't going to act based on the things I read there, then I would not have bothered to read it in the first place.

It still sounds like Walther has not fully sorted out the .40 caliber PPS; I wish they had. It sounds like a better weapon than the Kel-tec (which is my first choice).

The only legitimate issue that I've heard occurring with the PPS is a result of the back strap coming loose during firing and rendering the gun unable to fire, a grip sleeve (featured in Lance's photo above) would hopefully prevent that issue. I have not heard (then again I haven't gone back looking for additional info either) if Walther made any improvements in the attachment method of the back strap to prevent this issue.

Lance, thanks for reporting on your 1st hand experience with these guns.

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Originally Posted by Packard

But there are many threads there on the .40 with issues and almost none on the 9mm in that regard.

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Where, though, are you saying that you are seeing this? You don't even mention the name of the website that you are referring to here. Did you even bother to post any messages in the forum there, to get a better understanding of what was being discussed? I challenge you to say the name of the website you visited, so others can go there and judge for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Packard

It still sounds like Walther has not fully sorted out the .40 caliber PPS; I wish they had. It sounds like a better weapon than the Kel-tec (which is my first choice).

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Well, as I mentioned earlier, I've had mine for almost 3 years now, and it is still going great at this point. It is my primary conceal carry handgun.

I think that you have not taken enough time or made enough of an effort to adequately research this matter, and have made some quick, snap judgements that are simply not true.


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Originally Posted by VAMarine

The only legitimate issue that I've heard occurring with the PPS is a result of the back strap coming loose during firing and rendering the gun unable to fire, a grip sleeve (featured in Lance's photo above) would hopefully prevent that issue. I have not heard (then again I haven't gone back looking for additional info either) if Walther made any improvements in the attachment method of the back strap to prevent this issue.

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I've never heard of any documented incident like that ever happening with a Walther PPS. I have the Limbsaver Pro Handgun grip on all of my favorite pistols. It is not there to retain the backstrap. I use it because it really enhances the quality of the grip that one can get, plus it makes shooting hot ammo a little more comfortable.

There have been a few cases of extractors breaking on both models of PPS, and also the spring for the slide stop failing. But those problems seem to be very infrequent. And they are not focused on a particular model like the .40 S&W gun.

The 9mm has been on the market now for 4 years, and the .40 S&W for 3.

There has been one single documented case of a PPS exploding a year and a half ago, and that was a .40 S&W model. But the general consensus was that bad ammunition was at fault. The owner was unharmed. He still blamed the PPS as being defective, despite the assertion by Walther that the ammo had been bad. They gave him a brand new pistol anyway in replacement. He got hostile with everyone online talking about the incident, though, and ended up saying that the was going to go sell the new gun and buy something else. The barrel ruptured right in front of the chamber.

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I really do highly recommend the Limbsaver Pro Handgun grip sleeves. They are far more comfortable than the Hogue Handall, in my opinion. I also have them on my full size 40 S&W pistols. These include my customized HK USP. It has been enhanced to accept longer 16 round magazines, and also has fully adjustable target sights installed on it:

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And also my .40 S&W Beretta PX4 Storm ( shown here with Beretta's 17 round 40 S&W mag in the gun )


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Originally Posted by LanceORYGUN

Where, though, are you saying that you are seeing this? You don't even mention the name of the website that you are referring to here. Did you even bother to post any messages in the forum there, to get a better understanding of what was being discussed? I challenge you to say the name of the website you visited, so others can go there and judge for themselves.





Well, as I mentioned earlier, I've had mine for almost 3 years now, and it is still going great at this point. It is my primary conceal carry handgun.

I think that you have not taken enough time or made enough of an effort to adequately research this matter, and have made some quick, snap judgements that are simply not true.


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Well, I have not checked back at the forum for several months and perhaps I should have before posting. But the information was correct to my memory at that time.

The forum is: PPS Owners Forum

I have a Walther PPS .40. The gun is easily the most concealable 40 I can find. A lot of people say the gun misfires or fails to cycle completely. This WILL HAPPEN if you use cheap amo. I have put about 2000 rounds through the gun using Hornady and Winchester and have had ZERO failures. If you can not afford the ammunition required do not buy this gun. This is the CCW pistol of choice.


This gun has my stamp of approval.

I've got a 9mm PPS, it has worked fine from day one. No complaints from me, it's a great little CCW pistol.

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Originally Posted by fivehourfrenzy

I considered the PPS for a carry gun along with the P99c. Availability wasn't an issue as my P99c had to be special ordered, which would've been the same with the PPS. I haven't held or shot one, but I got to hold a 9mm P99c and it fit like a glove, so I went with that. I'd love to hold a PPS though.

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My favorites

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Can't wait to get my PPS. Went to the local shop today and held one. It fits perfect.

What is the part number for the Limbsaver sleeve for the PPs?

I bought a PPS off a buddy of mine who needed money. He told me if I used cheap ammo it had a tendency to jam. Give it a good cleaning shot it. Nice little pistol. And YES it did jam with cheap ammo. He also has two of the .22 version which will spit out everything flawlessly. My wife loved the way the PPS felt. Now I love a .40 but this at times was uncomfortable to shoot. So I trade it and $25 for a brand new full sized M*P .40 with 6 extra 15 round mags and a box of hollowpoints.

I am going to do some more research and check on picking up my wife a PPS 9mm. It is however my opinion that the PPS are good guns.

Walther PPS 9mm is probably one of the best handguns I have owned. I sold it to a friend because he bugged me for it, it NEVER misfired or FTE'd
I bought a Springfield XD9 Subcompact, also a nice gun but, it just seems too "fat" being a double stack, it's my EDC, also never a problem....
I like the grip safety on the Springfield, wish the PPS had it.
I will be selling the XD and buying another PPS very soon, and I do like the 7 round mags..the 8's are a bit long and make the gun heavier
if 7 rounds won't do it, you are SOL....(s**t outa' luck)
Besides in 35+ years of carrying, I have only needed to "get ready" to unholster ONE time..and that kinda went away....

I have a PPS for my carry gun. It is very accurate and the recoil is great for it's size
I haven't had any problems with it and I am very happy with it since it is my carry gun. I have a Limbsaver since it is very thin. It is my only striker fired pistol.

I've owned and carried a PPS40 for almost three years. I'm a long distance motorcycle rider and the gun has traveled in my vest or leather jacket on a trip to PA (had to unload in Illinois), a ride to Sturgis, SD, a run to Laughlin, NV and several rides into Colorado. Of couse it's my normal carry gun while riding in Kansas too. It's accurate, doesn't jam and resists corrosion. I have 4 seven round mags, 3 six round mags and one five round mag for this compact pistol. I never feel I'm undergunned when it's with me. I always travel with at least 2 spare mags.

Got my PPS a week ago, after extensive research / reading of various forums. I followed the "Observations" information on the Walther PPS forum -- very helpful-- bought a limbsaver for it and an IWB holster from PJ holsters. The whole project came together very nicely.

I've put 200 rounds thru the PPS, WWB and Remington, no failures or hang ups. Accuracy is surprisingly good, trigger better than my Glocks, recoil reasonable. PJ's holster is reasonably priced, delivered quickly and works very well - the PPS is very concealable.

From any aspect... I done good!

Got my first PPS about three years ago, it was the 9mm. I loved pretty much everything about it. I had the Hogue grip on it, just made it fit my hand a little better. It shot great, with both FMJ and HP rounds. The only time I had a problem is when I let a friend shoot it with me and he shot limp wristed. It was very accurate, probably more accurate than I allowed it to be, easy to CC, and easy to maintence. I had over 2000 rounds through it. Than someone got into my house and stole it. A very sad pissed off person, I was. I had three holsters and clips still and no gun. I debated on selling the rest and getting something else. But as I kept looking around, I kept coming back to the PPS. So I just got another the other day, as a suprise for Valentines day gift from my girlfriend. Now to go clean and oil it and head to the shooting range. Hopefully this one will be all the other one was. But I think I'll be getting a Limbsaver instead of the Hogue grip this time. I do like the looks of that one. Also to note. The new one came with two clip instead of one clip when I got my first one. Which was a shock.

I bought a PPS this past Thursday and found both the Summer Comfort for the XD Subcompact and the Galco Ankle Glove for the Glock 26 both fit it well.

I was in "my" gun shop a few weeks ago looking for another holster for my Sig P238 (EDC) He just received 3 Smith and Wesson Shields that morning and had ONE left! Well, instead or replacing the PPS I had sold I bought the Shield...LOVE IT...as nice or nicer than the PPS for $200 less!

Dan Slam I agree with your response on this issue . If anyone has watched some comparison videos on the internals of a Kahr it is clearly noted as to the inferior design of the Kahr.
Further the PPS has some great design features ie. mag release for one H&K like but functions even better . Thanks Dan for calling out this guy.