I've just purchased a pm9 and put 500 rounds through without a single jam. This is one great little piece. I have a Springfiield Armory 1911 .45 I love, but now the Kahr .45 is on the short list. These guns are bad ass.
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I've just purchased a pm9 and put 500 rounds through without a single jam. This is one great little piece. I have a Springfiield Armory 1911 .45 I love, but now the Kahr .45 is on the short list. These guns are bad ass.
I am fairly new to guns but have immersed myself in studying and learning. My goal at first was to find the one that I could marry. I got my CCW and am still waiting on it.
I have a PM40 and she is HOT..
I heard about her and how hot she was and all, so I asked her out and we hit it off really well. I was thinking this was a dream come true, I am gonna have the hottest wife in town! Well, once she had me hooked and she knew it she went psycho on me. This was evident with our first trip to the range. There was not a single disfunction this gal did not have. I figured well, she is so hot I guess I will keep working on this and see if we can get things worked out.
Sure enough after sending her to the shrink, getting her medicated and putting a good 500 rounds of ball in her she started to smooth out and I thought now were getting some where. I am gonna ask this one to be my bride, my one and only, till death do us part.
I waited a little while, I did not want to seem too smothery or anything. I shopped around for just the right set up. I settled on a hot little box of the new Hornady TAP hollow point, sweet looking stuff, like a candy or something. With the hollowpoints hidden in my pocket I cleaned her up real good and lubed her up a little wet like she likes it and off to the range we went.
She was happy, barking away, eating up that ball like a heavy lady on the oreo's. I decided it was time. I racked her slide back, got down on one Knee and slipped a mag of that sweet TAP hollowpoint up in her. Well, as thrilled as she was to have me ask for the commitment, she had a complete meltdown, I watched in horror as my little trophy morphed right back into that psyco I had when we first started dating. I was downright heartbroken. I went home devastated.
I still did not give up, I kept working on things and trying and trying. We have been through Speer, Winchester, and many other hollow points. I have come to the conclusion that I just cannot marry this little fireball.
So... I am dating again. Got a XD 40 sub compact the other day, sweet, she is pretty hot, a little chunky, but loads of fun and most importantly she loves the hollowpoints, shell eat anything. Don't know if Ill marry her yet. I still have that crazy Kahr calling me for a booty call at least twice a month and we still have wild times at the range. I know it is stupid but she might, someday, she might grow up and eat the hollowpoints.
Anybody know of a hollowpoint that the PM40 will shoot reliably? I really want to marry my dream girl but I am losing hope.
Regards
Brad
Shrinks will tell you if the marriage did not work the first time what makes you think it will the second time? I have two father in-laws who tried and in both cases it did not work. One is still married but regrets it daily! We hear about it at family get togethers and it makes it a little (alright a lot) uncomfortable.
I hate to tell you I got her little sister (PM9) and she and I have had wonderful relationship since her break-in time. During her break-in she had two FTE and one FTF and the trigger smoothed right out. Have got about 500 rounds through her and she likes FMJ or JHP.
She takes it all.
I thought about calling them and demanding they trade me for the PM9. Has anyone ever heard of that? Is it possible to make it a 9 by purchasing the upper?Quote:
Originally Posted by buck32
Had a CW9 for a year and loved it, no issues. Traded it in yesterday towards a used PM9. Only had time to shoot about 50 rounds, some WWB, Win 124 gr HP and some 115 gr Mag tech. Ate all, no problems
Well fellers let me add some thoughts. First and foremost..ya got to read the manual. Kahr does/should have a disclaimer that reads..."Don't contact us until after ye've fired 200rds. to break the gun in!" And it's a fact! I wish it wasn't. I wish Kahr would just put them on a machine and cycyle them 400 times before the send them out. It'd save me a helluva lotta time twaddlin' around at the range shooting boxes of shells downrange. (slapping my head...I like doing that!!) That being said I do have some issues with Kahr and I might have posted this back in 2008. If I did.. please forgive an old man. I should be able to rack the slide and chamber a round. What if I don't have time to pull the slide back...lock in the slide-lock...drop and replace a magazine and then release the slide? Like if I git a "dud" or the slide doesn't lock back when the mag is empty. Mind ye...I'm OLD..and my brain isn't as fast as it used ta be! I'll have to realize it didn't go BANG...look to see what happened...fumble with the slide and clear the mis-fire...find the mag. release..drop that out..fumble another one out of my pocket and then try to line up the slide release and lock it into place and then release it to chamber a fresh round. I wear bi-focals fer chrissakes! I can't even SEE my hands! Ohhhh yes...more to come of course!! Audie...the Oldfart...:)
Ahhh yes..and then the problem with engaging the slide to lock in the slide-release. The recoil spring. Folks, I think Kahr also manufacturers the axle-springs for the Abrahm tank. Same spring!! Yes I know a short-action-short-barreled-auto-loader has to have a strong recoil spring. Does it have to be THIS strong? I'm 6ft. 3in. tall....250lbs.....work every day. I'm not a wanker. I can pinch the slide on my 1911 with thumb&forefinger..or tuck it between my "cheeks" ...or gums...or toes...and pull the slide back. If I had to do this manuver on the Kahr CW40 more than twice a day I'd be in deep poop. What if I could only use 1 hand??? Like perhaps my left hand was gammahooched..or it was busy giving the bad guys the finger?? Then what? I'm just sayin' is all. Kahr needs to work on this. It is a reliability issue. And fellers...I ain't done yet. Audie..the Oldfart...
Next up....trouble seating the magazine/clip. I'm ready to grab up the belt-sander and prune just a smidgion of material off the bottom of the mag. well. I'll just clamp the gun upside down in the bench vise and have at it! I can't just pop in a fresh mag. I have to really shove it in there and make sure the mag. release button locks it into place. In a fire-fight this might be a non-issue. I'd be so amped I'd slap it in with enough force to bend the frame. But this isn't the way it should be. This also causes reliability problems. The reason some folks are having trouble with the mags. falling out is that they were never latched into place in the first place. Kahr needs to address this problem as well. IMHO one should be able to turn a gun upside down and drop in a full mag. and it should lock into place with no pushing/forcing/fumbling. The weight of the loaded mag should be enough. One last post....Audie..the Oldfart..
Would I buy or reccomend a Kahr CW40. You bet! They have their quirks and some things I find unacceptable. I find problems with most handguns and certainly with most concealed-carry handguns. The biggest problem with most handguns is they're too big to carry 24/7. This isn't an issue with the Kahr CW line. Lightweight, concealable, very accurate, recoil is a non-issue. Sights are fair to middlin'...in an actual fire-fight I'm not sure sights really matter. I don't need 19 rounds of glorified 38 Special ca'tridges. (read...9mm.) Give me a .40 or .45 with 6 or 7 rounds in a thin&concealable package. If I can't end the problem by displaying my intent to defend myself..then round-count really won't matter. I might aim the first round 'er 2. After that it's duck and run time. And for those brave souls that think more rounds are better....I've seen the footage and videos. "Local police (well trained professionals)..fire 48 rounds...gunman was hit 4 times." Audie..the Oldfart...
OF, love your posts and the break down of paragraphs.
Keep it up. If you were born in 56 you aint that old.:smt1099
Read through the posts and I have seen alot of very mixed reviews of the Kahr line. I'll just add my story by saying that I decided on a P9 for conceal, and after finding what had to be the only one in my part of the state, the sportman's warehouse gun counter guy and I began on the paperwork, when I started looking the gun over carefully, and stripped it down, to find that the polymer 'rails' that run front to back on the top of the frame were a little chewed up! There was a good sized scallop of material missing from one of the rails, as though it was nicked with a dremel or something, and small galling running lengthwise on the rails, as well as stringy polymer shavings present at the top of the frame made me say no thanks!
I have since had a local Sportman's Warehouse locate one from out of state, and ship it here. The gun is very tight by first impression. I really like the Kahrs, but why the hit or miss in the quality department? And for such a price, right up there with high quality guns, you would expect something a little better. Someone mentioned in their post that they had problems, but knew that Kahr would make it right. Don't you want to buy a gun that IS right, and right out of the box?!
I don't think I'd be satisfied by getting my gun back from the factory with a few things replaced with some polishing done, it would just make me wonder what was wrong before, and why!
I also heard that Kahr suggested to another customer that he oil the gun in a different manner and try loaing one less round to get the mags to work properly. WHAT??!!!! If you bought a gun that's 6+1, then that's what you should get, you shouldn't have to compromise a round to get it to work right.:rolleyes:
Sure seems pricey for spotty quality, Hope mine works out well for me!!
I was looking at Kahr as well. The slide on the one I checked out would stick halfway when racking and releasing it. I put it back down on the counter, said thanks to the salesman and continued my search.
On another Kahr I looked at the slide release could not be moved while the slide was locked back and the slide action felt and sounded like an old washboard. Kahr wants you to cycle 200+ rounds just to get it to function properly. Good thing same doesn't hold true about new car brakes!
Buck..glad you enjoy the posts..infrequent as they are. But these are just my real world thoughts. Now to calm some fears...am I busting Kahrs butt? Yes..some things they need to address. But all in all they offer up the most concealable package with the most horsepower. I like the Glocks..go bang every time. But it's like trying to hide a 2X6. This won't work. Same goes for many of the so-called "concealed guns." And...yes I know many of you can conceal a full-sized 1911. I can't. My work wardrobe is 8oz. white uniforms. I'm a baker. White shirt, white pants and an apron and a paper hat. When I walk into a gun shop I'm dressed in a T-shirt and a pair of jeans or cut-off jean shorts. If I can't conceal that handgun within' these perimiters... then it serves me no use whatsoever. At that point it's just jewelery layed out in a gun safe or tucked into a drawer. I read recently where someone said they thought the Judge was the perfect concealed carry handgun. WTH??? I guess if yer dressed in robes..a court judge or a Hari-Chrisna perhaps. There's a gun that serves absoloutly no purpose that I can imagine. If you can conceal a gun that size...I'd reccomend a stubby shotgun..12ga. and 3in. mag at least. And...I have a problem with the 9mm. chambering. It simply doesn't work. Now if it works upon presentation of defense..fine. Poke it in their face and hope they don't call ye on it. We have a problem if they do. This round sucks. I'd trust my life to a .22 longrifle before the 9mm. JMHO of course. Audie..the Oldfart...
OF. Understood on the 9mm, I feel differently and that is why there are different rounds. I choose the 9mm due to my belief that in the last 20+ years ammo manufacturers have come a long, long way in upgrading the 9mm. But that is neither here nor there.
Bottom line is you have to feel confident in your abilities and gun handling. I am not comfortable with a .40 or any thing larger due mostly to my tolerance in recoil. Call me a sissy but I know that if I pull out my Beretta, Kahr or LCP and have to use it I will be much more accurate and have the confidence in handling it in a live fire situation in .380 or 9mm than I would with a .40+
I have not had the poor experience with my Kahr as you have indicated. As mentioned in one of my previous posts, I had a couple of issues with fail to feed during the break-in period but nothing since then. It seems to eat anything I have placed in the magazine. I have used FMJ - WWB, Blazer, Federal, American and some blue box stuff out of Brazil (name escapes me at the moment). For SD rounds I use , Federal Premium SXT 147 grains.
My EDC gun is a Beretta PX4sc, Kahr PM9 then an LCP. It all depends on what clothes I am wearing or can wear on that day. Being in MT, I am fortunate to be able to wear jeans, polo/button up shirt and either a vest or very light jacket for most times of the year. The exception being hot summer then shorts or a polo shirt with my LCP either in a front pocket or cargo pocket.
I am not a big person at 5'9 and 200 pounds but I have been able to conceal fairly well.
Just a thought, you might also look at the Springfield Armory XD or XDM line.
Keep up your search and you WILL find exactly what you are looking for.:smt033
Yeah check out an XD! I almost got a XD-9 sub compact for conceal, but in the end wanted a slimmer Kahr. "thin is sexy"...... but sometimes short and chunky can get ya goin too!
I have had a Kahr P9 for about a year, and it has been completely flawless! It is more accurate than it should be for a carry gun. Even at distances farther than Self Defense range. I do however prefer an all metal gun so I will wind up with the K9, or the T9 ultimately. Great weapons don't hesitate. Additionally I like the fact that they are all American made. :smt023Quote:
Originally Posted by DrCelica
Audie,Quote:
Originally Posted by oldfart1956
I'm an old fart, too (a '51 model, actually), and although .45 ACP is my preferred SD round, I have to speak up for the 9mm, which I also pack quite often.
I think it is an ideal caliber for a small carry gun, and completely adequate for anyone that can hit where they aim. Ask a paramedic, or an ER doctor, and they will verify that 9mm turns vital organs to mush, just as surely as the larger calibers. A hot 9mm load with a modern hollow point is nothing to scoff at.
And...a .22 LR, fired from a rifle, might be a formidable projectile under some circumstances, but the same round fired from small handgun would likely just piss off a meth head.
Now, if you want to bash .380s, I might help ya. :smt023
Of the Kahr's I've seen.. I can say they're certainly carry-friendly.. Wasn't too crazy about the trigger curve/shape, but the trigger pull is the sweetness. I'd probably be happy with either 9mm or .45 in a nice carry-Kahr of some model #.. Hard to tell the difference in them without having them infront of you. Held a .45 that to me was positively tiny.. except for the price of course. :mrgreen:
Well, finally had my first run to the range with my brand new p-9. I shot 200 rds of pmc through it with 1 FTF around the 30th shot, and not a single problem beyond that! What an accurate gun, too. I couldn't be more happy. I do think that I'll have to get a slip on grip, though as the handle feels a little thin to me, and with as light weight as the polymer gun is, it tends to slip out of the grip at times when being fired. Any suggestions?.... what about the 'agrip' that Kahr sells on their site?
Congrats......
My PM-45 is doing quite well. 250 rounds of mixed cheap 230gr ammo and almost 100 rounds of Double Tap 185gr GDHPs.
My first time out I fired it at a 25 yard target. The very first bullet fired hit within an inch of the bullseye. I knew I was going to like this pistol right then.
No kidding, first shot 25 yards...
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remind me to stay away from you!
Just don't try to kill me, and we will be great friends.:smt083Quote:
Originally Posted by YFZsandrider
Wow. I am impressed! 25 yards!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FHBrumb
I did the same thing and it was being filmed. After wacthing it I learned it was a ricochet. lol