Nice I'll take one of those tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Revolver
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Nice I'll take one of those tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Revolver
The gun is a specialized gun. It was designed as a sidearm to compliment a military carbine. It’s a good gun for penetration. I will keep that in mind when its a primary concern (like defeating body armor).
I personally like a bullet with weight and proven killing power. .45, .357, .40, 9mm .38. Anticipating your response that the gun has documented kills, so does a Ruger MKII .22lr.
I think that most of us can agree it’s a large pistol. Of course if you are a cop that’s not a big deal as you can strap it onto your WIDE duty belt in a duty holster. This is a big deal for concealed carry.
Wow. 20 rounds. I guess us old-timers carrying revolvers with 5-7 rounds are behind the curve? Should we worry that we are under armed?
My point here is as a carry gun, I don’t see the plusses outweighing the minuses. It looks like a fun gun, and if it’s all you have it’s the best carry gun for you. Other than fun, I don’t see how you can reasonably debate its value on any plane over a Glock, 1911, SIG, H&K, Smith.
Who's response?? All my guns are fun guns except the ones I carry (P99C 9mm and Kel-Tec 32 in front pocket)and if it wasn't so dam hot in Texas I would be carrying a 45. The FN 5.7 is one of my favorite fun guns to shoot. Can't really tell you why but I enjoy it so much. I guess I'm a old timer (feel like one but don't think like one) because my favorite type of gun is a revolver and I can shoot 22's all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Padawan
Please dont say that. I have been strugling with the knowledge that I am becoming an "old timer". I am 42 years old. I cant be an old timer yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by spacedoggy
I am toying with the idea of transitionong to a K frame revolver
I will sit in the shade with and shoot my MKII ALL DAY
I say what all the time (hearing loss)
I find it increasingly difficult to get a hard focus on the front sight w/o glasses
I have WAY TO MANY stories about shooting that start with "remember that time"
I carry the FiveseveN concealed every day all day and feel very confident with it. The light weight and recoil provide comfort and follow-up shot accuracy. I don't know what the circomestances may be if I find myself in a "SITUATION" but I like knowing that I have twenty one very quick and very accurate shots available for most any distances. I especially like the fact that the chance for over penetration is lower than with a bigger caliber. I couldn't forgive myself if I were responsible for injuring or killing an innocent bystander because of over penetration or two much recoil.
I used to carry a Beretta 92 and I like it, but since I got my FiveseveN I feel that for the many different situations that can arise where deadly force is necessary it is the best "All Around Tool" for the urban life.
I practice all the time and feel more capable and comfortable than when I carried my 92. :smt1099
Every person is different in size and thoughts. The gun that works for you "works". I think the key to your statement is the practice. Continued practice combined with quality instruction is the best thing to do regardless of the gun and bullet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wagon Master
I still dont think I am sold on the 57 being the best "all around tool for urban life". I dont think such a thing exists. At best it would "one of the best" and I would still not see it in that department.
I note your previous gun was a large duty style pistol as well. If you were allready using a dress around gun for concealed carry, the transition would have been easy. Have you tried a compact pistol such as an HK P2000SK, Glock 26,27,33,30,36,29, Walther PPK, 3"1911, J frame revolver for concealed carry?
[QUOTE=Old Padawan;73112]Every person is different in size and thoughts.
I like the weight combined with the round capacity and very low recoil of the FiveseveN. I have shot other more compact weapons and enjoy them also but not the recoil. I am an old fart and I would rather not have to fight the recoil in the chaos of armed conflict. I do practice all the time and shot placement at night while shooting off hand and shooting multiple rounds very fast while going to cover when there are bystanders etc, etc, etc, is a potential disaster. For me and my urban life, this is the best all around tool. But as you say, everyone is different, and I respect that.
It was a 3/16" plate not 3/8". But either way I think its very impressive. I'd buy the Five-seveN. But like others say its a little pricey. At least for me.:smt022Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie
Nate
I'm kinda itchin for one myself :smt023
I started wearing it as a range gun because it is so light even with three magazines and that's a real plus. The other reason is rust. I can't find a spot on it that can rust on the outside of the gun. Love to see you get one shipwreck to compliment your other FN. I'm planning on getting the Beretta PX storm to compliment my CX4.
Well, Bud's is selling them at a good price right now, but I don't know...
The next gun I wanna get is a Beretta 84/85 Cheetah - Just always wanted one. Not sure if I will get a Five Seven or not.
You might be better off with the Beretta due to the availability and cost of the 5.7x28 ammunition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipwreck
I believe Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell has one as his standard issue. 20 round mag's.
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Originally Posted by spacedoggy
Cost, yea. EVen at a good price, it's more (although, not much more than 380 ammo) - but availability - heck, I have 2100 rounds of the stuff for my PS90. So, I'm good there :mrgreen:
I think the French are really good with the potato gun, Belgians I'm not so sure.:smt043Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Barham
Yep it's a Five-seveN. I've read all the Splinter Cell books and its definitely what Sam uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArmyCop
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Originally Posted by JimmySays
How many French soldiers does it take to defend Paris?
Dont know never been tried.
Why are there so many trees along the road in Paris?
The Germans like to park in the shade.
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Originally Posted by Old Padawan
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Hi, new to the thread. Been reading these posts and see the same "conversations" I have seen other places....ballistics, gelatin, cost, size, speed, etc. Much of the information these conversations are based on are old (ie. no recent updates), static (chronographs, etc), and superficial. I have personally spoken with more than one police officer regarding a subject hit by the 5.7 X28mm. There were no doubts. One exclaimed that the M.E. asked him "What did you shoot him with..?" in surprise of the damage and differences from other witnessed wound cavities. Does this mean it's an absolute stopper....no. But several gents have survived multiple gunshots by .357, .45acp, etc. as well. Does this mean they are not? No. The difficulty with the 5.7 is real world stats. Not enough people have been shot by them, especially the pistol. Many agencies have moved up to the .40, yet some still swear by the 9mm. "Evidence" abounds to surround both arguments. Many administrators do not allow a .45ACP or hollowpoint ammo because of reported, erroneous conclusions....many made by trainers.
Regarding gelatin.....I wouldn't hang my hat on any of that data. More than one round has performed poor with gelatin only to later due quite well in living tissue. If you're shooting someone with an interior temperature consistent with gelatin, they're already dead. Let me know when 98 degree gelatin comes out.
Comparisons to .22mag is also only through "measurable" data. Although similar in numeric performance, the bullets are designed differently both physically and in which they are scheduled to react ballistically.
More people are killed with smaller calibers than any other. Small calibers do work, depending on the circumstance. The number one consideration for defense is shot placement. Period. A 5.7 to the heart will out due a .45acp to the arm just about every time. If the 5.7 allows you to place multiple, rapid shots on target; why not use it? If you are able to do the same with a 45ACP, that is different you easily have a choice and most likely would choose the larger round. If you can't, I wouldn't rule out the 5.7. Many LEO's stay with 9mm for this very reason....they hit better with it.
The FN should not be elevated to "THE" firearm when comparing. It is "A" firearm, with several shooter/ballistic/design benefits. It also has unknowns and negatives much like many other firearms. I would not discount the Tac Teams, foreign or domestic, that have chosen to use it. They generally do not use crap firearms of any sort. If the FN was the price of a Glock, and the ammo the same, these conversations wouldn't take place. They would be all over, and there would be plenty of real life data to look back on. Likewise, if a Glock was the price of an FN, they wouldn't have such a large share of the market, regardless of performance.
Our department had one for T&E and we found it accurate, dependable, simple, and had "0" failures of any kind. I would say a weapon that is easy to shoot (fast and accurate), and dependable should definitely be in consideration. I wouldn't necessarily pick a .380 over my .45ACP, but I wouldn't want to be shot by a .380 either!
Place a 5.7 in the chest or the pumpkin, and I would say doubts would subside quickly. I wouldn't worry about lethality, performance, reliability, etc. This one has it. Personal preferences should be more of a factor here. As an LEO/SWAT'er that carries all the time, I have no issue with the FN. I'd carry it in a heartbeat and feel confident, even without the AP rounds.
Sorry for the length on my $.02
Hey, that was a great post. :smt023:smt023
im pretty sure i`ll pass on this 5.7 gun.ive shot it a few times,a friend has one.for the price i would go ahead and get a HK 2000.
i think if the length of the FN was an inch and a half shorter it would be a lot more popular.at least with me it would.
Where would one buy the absolute least expensive 5.7 pistol? And I wonder how cheap that would be? My recollection of advertisements I have see puts it at about $750 ish at best. :smt102
Bud's price for $779 is the cheapest I have seen it (that is what I paid) - and, that's purchased thru the contact at our site. On their site (Bud's site), it is $20 more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie
My shop has one for $930. Gander Mountain wants over $1000 for it so they can rip people off.
I have seen them around $809 or so at Houston gun shows.
I really, really want one but I'm just not yet ready to shell out $800 + for it. :smt076
I just got back from a gun show here in Tyler and the cheapest I found one for was 779. When ever I shop on Bud's I add $50 to their price for shipping and FFL paperwork. Bud's had the best prices a while back but it seems they are getting more expensive lately.