I'd rather have a V8 thank you. :smt1099
If you can tell me what it's FOR, I might want one...
No thank you I'll pass.
Suit yourself guys. After going from the single point sling to a 2 point sling, I love this gun 2x as much...
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If they were being given away I would take one, and then I'd trade it for something else.
Well, just remember... All U naysayers haven't even shot one yet. There have been many converts.
Honestly - I was excited when I first heard they were being released. And, when I first saw 1 at a show when they first came out - I though they were just so so. I wasn't impressed as I thought I would be. Then, I saw them at shows several times afterwards and kept picking them up. It grew on me, but I never thought I could afford one.
After winning that Beretta 90-Two last July, it occurred to me that I could sell it and my telescope (which I can never use around my house anyway, between the city lights and the damn west nile virus mosquitoes that keep being found in my neighborhood) - that would give me the cash to buy 1. And, ever since then, I don't regret it.
I realize that practicality doesn't determine whether you like a gun or not. I have an M1 Garand that I have no real use for beyond Memorial Day fun shoots, though theoretically it would do a decent job on medium game or as a "homeland defense rifle."
Gun choice is, obviously, extremely individualistic. But to be blunt - and please don't take offense! - don't be shocked when people aren't terribly impressed by a high-dollar gun that shoots weak rounds and is basically a range toy.
I have a pair of Ruger single six's and a Ruger lever rifle in .22 Mag. that take care of my .22 Mag needs. :smt1099
Mike, actually, there are quite a few people who use the gun for hunting. One of the vendors (I think it might have been CMMG, but I'm not 100% sure I remember right) took pics of deer he has killed. Many people use it to shoot other animals too.
I'm not a hunter, though.
To me, I feel more comfortable with this gun shouldered than an AR or anything else. It can also be fired 1 handed super easily, and is totally ambi. At 100 yards or less, I'd pick this over a AR personally.
And, I'll know there is a lot of comments about the ammo. But, I've recently read 1 magazine article a couple of months back that tested the ammo, and it was rather surprising. Time will tell on the round ballistic history - it is a new round. But, I'm satisfied with it, and have seen some rather impressive results with it by people doing their own testing on the various forums.
I was going to buy an Ar 2 months ago, and changed my mind. I'm keeping just this gun as my rifle. I think it's sweet. And, that's all that counts anyway :P
Yep, as long as you like it, that's all that matters. I can't imagine using such an underpowered round on deer, though. It strikes me as borderline inhumane. I wouldn't use .223 on deer, and .223 is more powerful than the 5.7. Same reasons I can't see using it for defense - deer and people are about the same general size.
My colleage at Galco, who posts here, often accuses me of being too practical and never having any fun. Maybe he's right.
Well, I can't remember which of the 2 rounds he used to kill the deer, but the 2 do have slightly different ballistics. The hollow point actually penetrates further than the varmit round, but the varmit round (VMax round) expands more initially.
There is a thread about my forum (the PS90 forum) on Glocktalk, and some guy mixed us up with the Five Seven Forum. He wrote a huge rip about it and directed it at me until I pointed out that he mixed us up with them. He then edited the post thankfully.
But, I cannot get into Five Seven to find it. Only site I've ever been banned from, along with about 80% of our active members at PS90Forum. So, I can't find that thread.
As for the best ballistic info I read - it was in a magazine from about 2-3 months ago. Now I wish I had bought it instead of just reading it at the store.
Hey, I think it's a good looking gun and would love to see one, caress it's sleek lines and fondle it's ejection port. grrrrrrr
They're comfy guns, but I'd take an actual P90 over the PS90. About $2k more, but select-fire capable and damn fine to have in close-quarters. Even though it was designed as a PDW (Personal Defense Weapon), it's been mainly used in the exact opposite capacity, and quite admirably. Most police instances where the weapon has been used (including with it's pistol counterpart) have resulted in the 5.7 round not leaving the person shot with it and causing horrific (almost always lethal) wounds. No overpenetration problems, great ability to punch through doors and walls but stop in people, all sorts of goodness.
And hey, it's small enough that it almost counts as a select-fire handgun. Just haven't seen any IWB holsters for them yet. :(
I want an FN P-90
If offered though, it's one I'd gladly pay the $200 tax on to register it with BATFE. I'd rate it as one of the most effective methods of close-quarters defense (out to 150m) and assault out there, but only based on preliminary feel of it. Haven't had the chance to really put it through paces or "get dirty" with one yet.