Possible Kimber issue

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10-22-2006, 05:29 AM
js

Possible Kimber issue

Well, I spent some quality time at the range Saturday afternoon. I shot about 100 rds... Out of those hundred rounds, about half of the ejected spent casings hit me in the forhead... It got to be pretty annoying, so I stopped shooting and packed everything up. One of the guys who works at the range even said something... He noticed little marks on my forhead, which I saw for myself after looking in the mirror. My Kimber has the external extractor, which I've read on a few forums about owners having problems with. I'm going to go again today to see if it happens again, if so then I'll be calling Kimber first thing Monday morning.

It hasn't been a very good "gun" weekend for me... first was an issue with my new AR (long story) now the Kimber acting up... :smt011
10-22-2006, 09:03 AM
Charlie

Sorry to hear 'bout your "noggin' knocker" ejection problem. Has it always ejected them like that or is it a new thing? If this is not normal for that gun, check your extractor VERY close. It may just need cleaning....or may need removal and cleaning, or maybe a spring. Whatever it takes will most likely be cheap. Get some advice from Kimber but keep in mind that removal is very simple and a lot cheaper that boxing that thing up and sending it off. Keep us informed as to the issue. What's happening with your new AR? I haven't been keeping up here on the forum so I may have missed something.
Charlie :smt028
10-22-2006, 09:28 AM
Shipwreck

I have always heard that a little tweaking of the extractor fixes this right away - but I have no idea how to start screwing with the spring.

1st, easiest option - try a different brand of ammo and see if that helps. Seriously - It could make a difference. I've seen different brands eject to different places sometimes.

Did U try CCI Blazer? With the aluminum cases, they tend to eject in a different patterm than the brass.
10-22-2006, 11:53 AM
jwkimber45

If its not done it before, and you're using the same ammo as usuall there is prolly just some gunk that needs scrubbed out. A little hoppes and scrub brush will have you fixed up in no time
10-22-2006, 11:55 AM
scooter

If its pulling the cases out of the pipe it probably isnt the extractor,it needs the angle on the ejector filed slightly more to the vertical to kick the brass more sideways than up.
10-22-2006, 02:04 PM
js

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie

Sorry to hear 'bout your "noggin' knocker" ejection problem. Has it always ejected them like that or is it a new thing? If this is not normal for that gun, check your extractor VERY close. It may just need cleaning....or may need removal and cleaning, or maybe a spring. Whatever it takes will most likely be cheap. Get some advice from Kimber but keep in mind that removal is very simple and a lot cheaper that boxing that thing up and sending it off. Keep us informed as to the issue. What's happening with your new AR? I haven't been keeping up here on the forum so I may have missed something.
Charlie :smt028

Yesterday was the first time that it consistently hit me in the forhead, before that is was random...

As for my AR... I was installing a new trigger guard and the tool I was using to knock one the pins out slipped. So now there is a "new" ding with the "new" trigger guard. I know it's no big deal, but I'm pretty anal. If it would have happened a year from now I wouldn't be as anal, but it's brand new...and I haven't even shot it yet! :smt011

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Originally Posted by Shipwreck

I have always heard that a little tweaking of the extractor fixes this right away - but I have no idea how to start screwing with the spring.

1st, easiest option - try a different brand of ammo and see if that helps. Seriously - It could make a difference. I've seen different brands eject to different places sometimes.

Did U try CCI Blazer? With the aluminum cases, they tend to eject in a different patterm than the brass.

I'm using CCI Blazer, have been for months... I think i'll buy some federal today at the range and see what happens....

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Originally Posted by jwkimber45

If its not done it before, and you're using the same ammo as usuall there is prolly just some gunk that needs scrubbed out. A little hoppes and scrub brush will have you fixed up in no time

Oh, I'll clean the hell out of it tonight... I'd do it right now, but I'm leaving for the range in about 5 mins....

I give a range report when I get back... I really do hope it's something simple, I don't want to ship it back to New York.
10-22-2006, 02:54 PM
Wandering Man

Is it time to start a "hit in the face with hot brass" support group?

WM
10-22-2006, 09:18 PM
js

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wandering Man

Is it time to start a "hit in the face with hot brass" support group?

WM

That's a great idea! :smt082

Well, another 100rds today, with about half of the spent casings beaming me in the forehead...this time I actually have a little burn mark right above my right eye, glad I was wearing eye protection... :smt011 I'm going to clean the hell out of the gun later tonight, go back to the range on tuesday and try it again. THe range is is closed on Mondays...

Should I take the extractor out and clean it, if so... how do you get the thing out..? All I can do at this point is just clean around it the best I can...
10-22-2006, 09:28 PM
scooter

Quote:

Originally Posted by js

That's a great idea! :smt082

Well, another 100rds today, with about half of the spent casings beaming me in the forehead...this time I actually have a little burn mark right above my right eye, glad I was wearing eye protection... :smt011 I'm going to clean the hell out of the gun later tonight, go back to the range on tuesday and try it again. THe range is is closed on Mondays...

Should I take the extractor out and clean it, if so... how do you get the thing out..? All I can do at this point is just clean around it the best I can...

At the risk of sounding obstinate,(and mebbe ya missed my previous post) If its yankin the brass its not the EXTRACTOR. the EJECTOR angle is what determines(mostly) which direction the brass flies.
10-22-2006, 09:34 PM
js

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Originally Posted by scooter

At the risk of sounding obstinate,(and mebbe ya missed my previous post) If its yankin the brass its not the EXTRACTOR. the EJECTOR angle is what determines(mostly) which direction the brass flies.

oops, yes I did see your post...

So how would I adjust it to make the spent casing fling out to the right, instead of straight back...thus making contact with my forehead...? :rolleyes:
10-22-2006, 09:38 PM
scooter

I just posted an attachment to my last post with the ejector circled and an arrow pointint to the edge that needs to be filed slightly more vertical(or flat if you will) to push the brass sideways more.right now it should have a fair angle to it being longer closer to the frame,that hits the brass low and makes it flip UP instead of out the side ...are ya totally confused yet?:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
10-22-2006, 09:47 PM
js

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter

I just posted an attachment to my last post with the ejector circled and an arrow pointint to the edge that needs to be filed slightly more vertical(or flat if you will) to push the brass sideways more.right now it should have a fair angle to it being longer closer to the frame,that hits the brass low and makes it flip UP instead of out the side ...are ya totally confused yet?:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Thanks for the image, now it makes a little more sense... :-) I was getting confused on the whole extracting process... Do the "ejector" and "extractor" actually work in harmony with each other...? It just started doing it, can the "ejector get worn after a period of time or rds...? Of course I'm sure it can, but at what point is normal wear...?
10-22-2006, 09:50 PM
scooter

Quote:

Originally Posted by js

Thanks for the image, now it makes a little more sense... :-) I was getting confused on the whole extracting process... Do the "ejector" and "extractor" actually work in harmony with each other...?

Yup,if the extractor is holding the shell tight it pulls it all the way back till it hits the ejector and that flips it out the port.Is yours an internal or external extractor?
I just re read you first post duh,ext. extractor, It may have a weak spring and is not pulling the brass all the way back to the ejector too. And unless your good with LEEEEEEEEETLE bitty parts and have 3 hands its probably best to let a "smith" or the factory replace that.
10-22-2006, 10:03 PM
scooter

Quick test of extractor spring for External Extractor
1 load mag to specified rds
2 run 1 into the pipe
3 slowly pull the slide back with the mag still in
4 round in the chamber should come all the way back till the ejector pushes it out(not the next round in the mag)
If it doesnt do that then Im fulla poop and it IS your ectractor and not the ejector:mrgreen:
10-22-2006, 10:11 PM
scooter

Also I guess if its been fired a lot and you havent cleaned the extractor area it COULD have a cabon buildup dragging on the extractor.You could try what worked for my friend , instead of trying to dis-assemble that area just put as much solvent into it as you can,let it soak and then use HIGH pressure air(90psi or so) and blow out the carbon.It got his TLE going good again.
10-22-2006, 10:17 PM
js

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter

Quick test of extractor spring for External Extractor
1 load mag to specified rds
2 run 1 into the pipe
3 slowly pull the slide back with the mag still in
4 round in the chamber should come all the way back till the ejector pushes it out(not the next round in the mag)
If it doesnt do that then Im fulla poop and it IS your ectractor and not the ejector:mrgreen:

Well, I'm doing the test right now and the ejector is pushing it out. I'm pulling back the slide extremely slow and watching the round hit the ejector, then the round is being spit out...
10-23-2006, 12:05 AM
scooter

Oke dokee, next test load the mag and hand cycle it (rapidly) to slide lock and watch the brass eject,if its ejecting approximately 45 degrees up and out and about 45 degrees backwards it is doing what its supposed to and Im outta ideas.I would try cleaning the extractor and try shooting it again to see if that helps first and if it doesnt it would be best to talk to kimber
if you bought it NIB and its sill under warranty?
10-23-2006, 08:29 AM
Blastard

You may want to consider sending it New York. Chances are you will get back a new slide with an internal ejector. It sucks to send it in, but in the long run you will be better off.
10-23-2006, 10:46 AM
tnoisaw

Just make sure to keep your mouth closed in case the start hitting lower.
10-23-2006, 06:34 PM
js

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blastard

You may want to consider sending it New York. Chances are you will get back a new slide with an internal ejector. It sucks to send it in, but in the long run you will be better off.

I called Kimber today and told them about what it's doing... They said to send it back to them, so I'll box it up tonight and ship it out via UPS tomorrow morning. :smt022
10-23-2006, 06:42 PM
Shipwreck

I hate that damn shipping bill when ya gotta send a gun in....
10-23-2006, 07:23 PM
scooter

Hope they do ya right,Ive heard of people getting their guns back with new mags in the pkg too. I hope they do something to make ya feel right,but whatcha gonna do for a CCW while kimmies away? That AR might print a little too much:mrgreen:
10-23-2006, 08:22 PM
js

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shipwreck

I hate that damn shipping bill when ya gotta send a gun in....

I'm not very happy about it, that's for sure...

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Originally Posted by scooter

Hope they do ya right,Ive heard of people getting their guns back with new mags in the pkg too. I hope they do something to make ya feel right,but whatcha gonna do for a CCW while kimmies away? That AR might print a little too much:mrgreen:

Yeah, I'm hoping they come through for me...I'm sure they will, I've heard and read nothing but great things about their service...so we'll see.

They said it would take no longer than 10 days to repair, so I won't be carrying during that time. At least I have my AR for home protection.
10-23-2006, 08:57 PM
Shipwreck

Have U shot the AR yet? (I don't remember U saying U have...)
10-23-2006, 09:19 PM
js

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Originally Posted by Shipwreck

Have U shot the AR yet? (I don't remember U saying U have...)

Nope, not yet... The owner of the indoor range that I go to invited me to go with him and his son next week (Monday) to an outdoor range that they're members of. I talked to his son today and it's still on...depending on the weather. I can't wait... I bought some ammo for the AR yesterday, so I'm ready to go! :-)

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