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I don't own a flock but of everything I've ever heard about them the word unreliable has never been used. If I didn't have specific features I was looking for in my CCW I'd go with a Flock in a heartbeat.
Beretta 92fs is one I've handled and shot plenty. My old man has one and it has never malfunctioned. It is too large to CC easily but it is a real pleasure to shoot.
The 92s are a great piece and mine has never puked,but I haven't hit the area where the locking block will go yet.From what I've owned and researched,I'd say HK is the best bet in the auto class.
That statement shows both bias and ignorance, and should not be presented as a statement of fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pistol Pete
One might also say that "there are two kinds of revolvers: Those that are out-of-time, and those that are someday going to be out-of-time."
Some semi-autos are unreliable due to poor design. That's true. But the same is also true of some revolvers.
However, most semi-autos are reliable until they are either fed sub-par ammunition, or are fired by people who don't know how to hold them properly.
Most revolvers are reliable, at least until they are handled by ham-fisted fools who try to emulate the way Bogie slammed his revolver's cylinder shut.
Head to head, w/ no cleaning or maintenance intervals the Beretta M9/92FS would be hard to beat in the reliability department, at least as far as several military trials and testing for reliability is concerned, no other pistol manufacturer on earth can claim that distinction. Not to say other pistols may be just as reliable, but the M9/92FS has reliability testing credentials above all others. An average of 21,500 rounds before a single malfunction is very impressive.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/vide...a-m9-25-years/
IMO Bersa Guns and Glock Guns are extremely reliable. Without a doubt! :smt1099
That being said, revolvers are most dependable, however I have little experience with revolvers.
I have 2 Bersa's that have been excellent.
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If you want to really depart from the "main stream" and buy a gun at a very reasonable price, one which refuses to malfunction, and is built like a tank, pick up a Makarov (a real Pistolet Makarova made in the USSR, East Germany, Bulgaria, or China). They fire the 9x18MM Makarov cartridge, which is mid-way between a .380ACP and a 9MM Luger. "Commie gun" though they may be, they can't be beat!
As far as auto's i prefer Sig... Revolvers Ruger is great but my most fun shooter right now is a Rossi model 68 that I bought from someone after he did a trigger job on it and I have yet to find any handgun that shoots smoother and yes I would trust my life on it as a matter of fact my wife wants to keep it for herself
My HK P2000 has been 100% reliable through 2000 rounds, most of them American Eagle 115 grain FMJ.
Check this out...Project: Break my P2000
Whats the most reliable handgun?
A well-maintained M1911.
Springfield XD's, have 3, XD9SC, XD9Service and XdD40Service.
Not the first problem for fail to fire, fail to eject, fail to feed through a total of close to 4,000 rounds of whatever we could find to shoot, including steel cased Russian ammo.
My HK usp 9mm, Glock 17, and my CZ-75 are all great, never a problem. I like the weight and sights of the CZ the best, but I like the grips on the HK the best. Never a jam on any of them though.
IMHO, there is no most reliable handgun. They are all subject to failure at some time under certain circumstances.
Some are better engineered and mass produced than others. But, as long as the human race has a hand in the matter, it's all speculative at best.
I own a FNH FNX, a Smith & Wesson M&P, a Springfield XD, a Sig SP2022, and a Colt Government. All function flawlessly for me. Personally, I think FNH is very underrated when it comes to handguns. They're known primarily for their rifles but their handguns are great too.
if you want actual documented tests
the 1911 has been the most reliable and trusted by the military from 1911 to 1985 when politics entered the picture
the army tests were really torture tests to failure
the winner was the beretta 92fs and the sig 226
the sig 226 actually won the gun tests but the second part of the contract was regarding maintenance et al stuff and sigs costs were higher so beretta won the contract
then there are the glock torture tests of well over 100,000 rounds
these 4 semi autos are the best IMO
revolvers - stick with the best ruger, S&W, and colt
Me either but yes the thought of squib rounds especially in a rapid fire session scares the hell outta me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Revolver
I'll have to agree with you on most all of this, My 1911 would never leave my side if possible to always conceal it comfortably knock on wood it has never let me down on a diet of anything I wanted to feed it. The Beretta 92 is an awesome gun as well but again alittle large for everyday, I'll also add the cougar line to this as well, as dependable and alittle smaller. my 8357 rocks!! Sig says to hell and back reliability and you better believe it, a 229 is on my wish list as we speak. I don't own Glocks well just to be honest I think they are ugly as hell(sorry Glock lovers) :) Also one thing that concerns me about them is they react very badly to anykind of weak grip. While under normal situations this has never been a problem for me in a heated struggle or where you may have been injured and can't apply the same grip pressure they will FTF!!! While it hasn't quite had enough through it yet to be a confirmed keeper My Springfield XDS may be the best for me all around small slim package, nice meaty 45 round and a pleasure to shoot even for it's size(although I will say 230 ball is a little tough lol) drop to 185 or 200 and it is beautiful!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hideit
You should read the GOA investigation into how the M9 was picked. Those facts are not quite right. You can read it here: http://archive.gao.gov/d4t4/130439.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by hideit