+1 terryger
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+1 terryger
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I have carried a glock model 22 on duty since I became a cop at age 23. I am 30 now and still carry the same weapon now with a TLR-1 light in a safariland level II holster. I also have a ruger new vaquero 45 long colt with custom grips that is my special occasion rig. Have given thought to a custom 1911 in .45acp to carry on duty, maybe a STI or Wilson Combat.
If your considering international also it would definetly be Sig Sauer over Glock! Glock is mostly only purchased by the Untied states LE agencies and is loosing alot of those agencies that it once had! HK was just awarded contract for supplying the u.s army spec ops with there .45's The Navy is still with Sig,Air force is still with Glock I believe but over sea's is real big on the sigs,not Glock,Glock is a fine pistol but has been loosing ground lately in there sales!
My department issues H&K USP45s. They replaced our S&W 4576s which replaced or S&W 66s. I don't know what we had before that. They are seemed to work okay for me.
FROM THE SIG WEBITE:
In the USA, nearly 1 in 3 law enforcement professionals use SIG SAUER firearms. “We are proud that many elite military and government forces including the U.S. Navy Seals, the Federal Air Marshals, the Department of Homeland Security and the U. S. Coast Guard carry SIG SAUER firearms”, said Ron Cohen, President and CEO of SIG SAUER.
I can only speak about Europe, especially Germany. German Army is using the H&K USP (they call it P8). Also a lot of German Police Departments using HK P7, USP compact and HK P2000. The German KSK (Kommando Spezialkräfte, equal to the British SAS) is using USP Tactical. The German GSG9 is using Glock and H&K. Other popular guns in German Police Forces are Walther P99 and SigSauer. I also know that the french navy is using the USPQuote:
Originally Posted by Revolver
In n ireland the police carry glocks , probably because they are cheap . I have read of some police departments in america changing their .40 and .45 glocks for 9mm because of case failures resulting in the gun being destroyed . It usually comes down to buying a adequate gun at the cheapest price , Thats why glocks are so popular .
a case failure in any gun will lead to it being destroyed not just a glock. with all the glocks out there how many of them actually explode in your hand. not many and if they do its because of the round not the gunQuote:
Originally Posted by manta
Yes but glocks are known for having poor case support , Compared with other semi autos , Thats why you can buy barrels with better support from other sources. On a steel gun you can get away with the mag being blown out , On plastic guns the gun tends to be destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by austin88
Police, Glock. Military, Sig Sauer. Sig passed the US miltary mil-spec standard grading requirements over 15 years ago. I prefer it to the glock. The Sigs I'm sure have replaced all the worn out Colts in the US miltary by now.--------RJ
Ditto!:buttkick:Quote:
Originally Posted by James NM
I have read about many people and LEO use glock.. but in somewhere I read that glock has very low price and that is attractive and someone said glock sometimes buy the old guns and lower more the price...and that is why they get many contracts
but I think that doesnt mean glock is the best pistol for that..
For sure many people buy glock cause this is cheaper than many other brands like walther, HK, sig, S&W, and so on..
with OVER 450,000 m9 pistols in service with the u.s. military alone the obvious answer is that more berettas are used since this number does not include any other model beretta pistol or any other user.
that was 450,000 NEW m9's as of the 2009 contract and doesnt take into account the pistols acquired since the mid 80s
Wtf is up with the U.S. Military and the M9 beretta? I know its all political, but its asinineQuote:
Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell
A soldier has enough to carry without having to carry an ALL METAL gun, the U.S. should really consider changing the official sidearm to GLOCK or something polymer
Not to say Beretta isn't good but I just think its silly that the gov't keeps issuing these 9mm berettas when they could give our soldiers .45 acp glock which would weigh less and give our soldiers alittle more firepower and alot less JAM
the requirements of a police duty weapon and a combat service weapon are eons apart. the police weapon needs to function when removed from a holster, the combat weapon needs to function when removed from a muddy ditch..... the ak47 is comparatively heavy when measured against the m16 of my generation but the ak was considered a better COMBAT weapon because it has very loose tolerances AND would fire all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakeleinen1
a combat weapon needs to work frozen, wet, muddy, gritty, sandy, hot and bloody. anyone whose azz depends on the reliability of a weapon would gladly keep the weight for toughness. i am sure that your experience in these matters consists of the finest reading materials on the market. perhaps you even played the best video games around, maybe even lead an elite team of men in online combat role playing scenarios but until you get out in the sh!t yourself and bet your life on your weapon, your opinion means the same as the desk flying admiral or the accountant general ..... nothing.
actually forgive me for making some assumptions ....
which make and model did you carry during your last combat assignment?
ok, during your last non combat deployment?
ok during your last stateside posting?
perhaps during your basic training?
rotc in college maybe?
any kind of military service at all?
maybe my assumptions were a little closer to home than i thought.
around here it's glock and sig mostly glock tho
Here is what you all need to read, So everyone can see. There is many pistols,And rifles used. They all have rolls to play.
List of individual weapons of the U.S. Armed Forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...._Armed_Forces
And the ones that are in the service and The ones that (Was) Know this. If they like a 1911 over the 92fs. Can they use the one they won't ?. For the ones that don't know. (Read up/Keep up)
And look at the sig, US. was going with that one. But the price was to high. 92fs was the low price for are military to buy.
They was going for the sig,But the bid was to high, So next was beretta was the lower bid.
Read read read read,Keep up with the life of shooting, Started back in 1450BC. That is how old the spots is.
How many great pistols can we all buy in the US. Their are so many to love.
Thank you Ted, For what you said on here. Just got me thinking about my time in the service. Your so right about what you said. It as every thing to do with this post.:smt1099
Dude a Glock can be tortured massively and still function, you can drop it in sand and dirt or mud and its going to fire still. These M9s do have jamming issues after a certain ammo count, not to mention non-beretta mags issued by the gov't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell
To be honest there are many different firearms our Armed Services could issue to our soldiers that would be FAR better than the M9, they choose M9 beretta because its CHEAP
and you want to talk about lousy main weapons the AK is superior to the M4 as well but they still use the M4 in the military as well
The wars the American Military fight are all about money and it shows through various avenues
Im not the only one who thinks the m9 is a lousy sidearm for soldiers,
Pt. 1 " Why Glock?" - YouTube
i now withdraw all my assumptions, your vast military experience coupled with your youtube link have shown me the light.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jakeleinen1
Glad I changed your mindQuote:
Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell
But I will never join the Armed forces, I can't shoot somebody based on war propaganda...
yes, of course, i bow to your superior feelings and unwavering beliefs based on others experiencesQuote:
Originally Posted by jakeleinen1
A very naive and immature sounding statement. All wars have propaganda, good, bad or indifferent. Would you say that WW2 was unjust? Propaganda was a tool used by all players.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakeleinen1
It's irrelevant anyway. You shoot someone because they will shoot you & yours if you give them the chance. Press releases from the white house are irrelevant when your deployed.
@ Overkill0084
Amen to that .. very naive indeed.
Thank God there are very smart & brave people that fight for his right to say such things.
There are lot's of country's that you can't say that in.
IMHO
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The U.S. military will never adopt Glock as the main combat firearm due to the weapon not having an external safety among other issues. If they did there would be so many "Glock Legged Soldiers" in the infirmery the Army wouldn't have enough enlisted personnel in case of battle. On a brighter note the M9 is not a small firearm nor the lightest, lighter than a Sig 226, but it's a durable reliable firearm that has proven itself in battle. Andy Brown took out a lunatic with an Ak-47 loaded with a drum magazine with a 70 yard headshot from his M9. I kinda like that story and if the U.S. Military decides to retire the M9, I would venture the PX4 Storm would be a better choice over the Glock as an official U.S. Military sidearm. I've heard some initial tests were done with the Storm and it passed with flying colors, plus the storm has a more durable action over the Glock. You should trade in your Glock and get one, you'll like it, plus it's safer and it doesn't feel like your shooting a carpenters staple gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakeleinen1