falchunt:
there are a lot of loe's - more than officers in the military and a lot of officers in the military don't use a handgun
i asked my son, who is going to iraq in the fall and he hasn't been issued one yet
falchunt:
there are a lot of loe's - more than officers in the military and a lot of officers in the military don't use a handgun
i asked my son, who is going to iraq in the fall and he hasn't been issued one yet
I feel like with LEO's carrying a fairly wide variety of handguns, including some berettas, it seems like this would be leaning towards beretta's favor. I realize that not everyone in the military carries a handgun, if that were the case this would be a wasteful thread.
GLOCKS handsdown. No other handgun in recent history has taken the world by storm.
I know 1911 are the cat's meow but...that's American cats that do the most meowing.
My buddy is finishing his last week of the Police Academy and he just got his gun issued.. he got a glock 17 .. he said you can qualify for a .45 caliber but only a few people in the academy got qualified for that he said you have to meet the guidelines for whatever your trying to get issued
Even without this instance, I would have said glock would be the number 1 for police officers.. as far as military.. I have no idea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_pistol
"The M9 is the standard pistol of the U.S. Army and Air Force Security Forces, and the M9A1 is the standard pistol of the U.S. Marines.[6] A large number of M9s and M9A1s was ordered in 2006. During the 2009 SHOT Show, Beretta announced it had received a US$220 million contract for the delivery of 450,000 M9s and M9A1s to the U.S. military, within a five-year span."
http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Glock
"Many estimates place Glock's market share among U.S. police departments at over 60% (based on total number of guns sold, not percentage of departments). Glock's website states their pistols are "...in use in 65% of law enforcement agencies."
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/lawenf.htm
"Total number of LEO's in US = 836,787"
The military placed an order for 450,000 Beretta pistols to be filled out within 4 years. They do not get rid of all of their older models. My brother is at Ft. Bragg right now, and just told me that the M9's that they use there are old as dirt, and have been abused. Based on this, one can only assume that the Military is using far more than the 450,000 M9's they sold recently. Using that logic, I would think that Beretta is more widely used between LEO's and military.
I don't subscribe to that mindset that my pen is more important than the duty weapon, perhaps what they meant to say is their pen is used more OFTEN than their weapon and that is a good thingQuote:
Originally Posted by jimg11
I go to the range regularly and just because you can only see one gun on an Officer's hip don't assume that it is his only gun or weapon
Pens make excellent stabbing weapons btw
ive seen alot of sig and m&p, and the occasional glock
franklinville nj just got xd40s
I chose SIG, I didn't want to spoil the fun by googling. Obviously I was wrong.... lol. But one thing I am noticing is that alot of LEO's are turning from the Glocks. No facts to support my claim, just from what I've been reading on various forums and media agencies.
Glock standards have been held far and above its competition for years. Seems alot of the more reputable companies are closing the gap.
My local PD in Phenix City, AL uses .40 Glocks. Across the river in Columbus, GA the PD uses Smith & Wesson M&Ps.
Federal law enforcement is a mixture of Sig and Glock these days. When I did my internship with U.S. Probation over the summer, the standard issue for a USPO is a .40 Glock, choice between the G22 and G23.
Friend of mine just got on with the Selma NC PD, he was issued a HK45.
Military and LEO missions are different; therefore sidearm choices vary accordingly. Allocated resources and political realities differ widely as well. Having been both over the years I'll tell you what I've observed and learned through research.
Most military have the Beretta 92FS. It is the default issue. Some high speed low drag types can choose something else, but those aren't very prevalent just the most talked about.
Most LEOs carry a glock. It is a good sidearm and allows LEOs to purchase them very inexpensively compared to others.
The rest is simply rationalization for someone's favorite carry typically. Personally, both are good, but I don't carry either one due to personal preference, experience and training.
The leader on the board is Glock. And after buying one a little while back and taking it to the range, and getting to finally see for my self what a Glock can do. I can see why there are so many Glock fans.
I do wish that Glocks had a manual safety on them. Much like the XD45 that was set up with a thumb safety.
LOL I do love my 1911. It has a big round but has the smoothest trigger and lowest felt recoil of all my pistols. Big part of the reason why I want a Para 18-9.Quote:
Originally Posted by ka-chow
Really want to see what a 9mm coming out of that old war horse 1911 system will be like.
I had a super sweet Kimber Grand Raptor 2, and it cost me quite a bit. I took it out shooting once in all the years I had it. I forced my self that one time. It was so pretty and cost so much I did not want to mess it up by shooting it.
Finally, after it sitting in my closet for so long I took it back to my ffl and traded it on a XDm 9mm and a revolver and several hundred dollars. Got a good return out of it and I actually shoot the guns I have now.
My lesson learned. Never buy a gun that is so expensive and nice looking that you will not want to shoot it.
I was just talking to a police officer in Hurst Texas and he was telling me that his department is changing from Colt 1911 to Kimber 1911 and they are about 1/2 done.
I asked him what they were doing with their old Colts :mrgreen:
But he didn't know.
It's funny how people just ignore the facts and state their opinion.
i tend to observe more glock firearms in LEO circles in my travels in Texas than any other brand.
I can not comment on the "whys" as i don't ask..........
the most is the glock in police enforcement
the military is the bereta 92fs -
an update my son issued himself a beretta - he is the company XO - he likes the 92fs feels good in his hand
That is true......you can sound real smart on the net and not ever experianced what you are talking about. Some posters believe their opinions are facts, and think if they cut and paste a picture or a link they gain credibility. They not only ignore the facts but justify opinion with the opinion of others. You gotta love the internet!Quote:
Originally Posted by falchunt
RCG
Most of the cops I see waddling around have berettas or sigs. I personally fear for our military knowing that they have to use berettas. The H&K usp .40 shows them to be the chinese quality nonsense that they are. Beretta owners are usually too cheap or high on drugs to have ever shot a usp, and wouldn't know quality if it tasted like donuts.
"Many of the things we hold true are based on a particular point of view" Ones opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by falchunt
A quote from a wise old Jedi. This is true for many people that are not privy to the force.
Facts mean nothing to the Nuggets in Washington, the ONLY thing we ever here is their personal opinion.
But opinion is what makes the world go round. Without opinion, (despite facts) the world would be a boring place.
Nice going algore is a fatwoman
With that last post you pretty well slapped most on this forum.
Well that is a very interesting perspective, and also true.:smt023Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom1911
+1 Freedom1911
So true.
:smt1099
bottom line.Quote:
Most LEOs carry a glock. It is a good sidearm and allows LEOs to purchase them very inexpensively compared to others.
the same reason leo drive more fords than mercedes :smt023