I wonder how the Sig's (world-wide) fair in the LE / Military quantities or % usage.. Seems all these CPO Sigs (like my new-to-me p226) are typically LE turn-in's. I imagine a LOT in Germany and the region. I know the US military uses them in some amounts... I think the coast guard maybe and the SEAL teams to some extent.
The Army also issues the SIG P228/M11 to CID agents and some pilots. I saw quite a few while I was in Afghanistan.
Secret Service issues a Sig 226 in .357 sig
We are issued Sig P229R (rail) now,just got mine about 2 months ago.We
were using the P229 (non rail).
from what i've seen, police: glock, military: beretta, special forces: sig
Every police officer I see has a Glock
I hope that no one makes a purchasing decision based on what local, state or national governments purchase. I spent 32 years as a sales rep for various companies and, generally, contracts with government agencies were let to the lowest bidder, not the best performing or highest quality products. The best weapon for me is the one that fits my hand, budget and (eventually) belt. I am enamored by most of them and will undoubtedly add several to keep my SS P-6 company in the months & years to come.:smt1099
Not as true anymore. Many contracts are decided by best value for the money, not low bidder, now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDerb
For example, the DOJ and DHS gun and ammo contracts did not go the the lowest bidder, they went to the guns and ammo that scored the highest in evaluations and had an "aceeptable" bid.
If it was all low bid, everybody would be shooting Rugers w Wolf ammo. ;)
City PD Glocks County Sheriff Dept are Sigs
Since my original post, I've added a Glock 26 and a SIG Mosquito (standard) to the gun box. I am having ALMOST as much fun shopping for them and comparing +'s and -'s as I am shooting them. I have also moved my residence from metro Detroit to northern Michigan.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDerb
Am pleased to know that value and performance are now (supposedly) considered for govt purchases rather than just lowest bid.
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I believe this is incorrect. The Secret Service uses the Sig Sauer P229 chambered in .357SIG. At least that is the case for their Special Agents last I knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasgun
Among the federal agencies, Glock, Sig Sauer, and Heckler und Koch seem to be the most common sidearms. Among state and local departments, Glock seems to be the most used sidearm. When I was a firearms instructor at a state academy, I saw approximately 65-75% Glocks used by the basic students. For smaller departments and individual officers buying their own duty weapons, it is hard to beat $400 or less for a brand new Glock. None of the other companies offer that type of discount to law enforcement as far as I know.
The most popular sidearm I saw was the Glock model 22. The Sig Sauer P229 in .40S&W was also widely used. All the H&K USPs I ever saw used by law enforcement officers all had some minor problem. Several of them would not lock the slide back on an empty magazine, others had problems with jamming when they became dirty. I am sure they are nice weapons, but I saw too many problems with them to completely trust them. Same with the Sig Sauers. Most ran great but several had problems when they were shot a lot without getting cleaned.
My partner that I attended FI school with shot a Sig P229 in .40 and I shot a Glock 22 as did most of the students. My partner had so many problems with his Sig (having to run to the back of the line to clean it all the time) that he ordered a Glock 22 the day we got home.
I am not bashing H&K or Sigs, but I have seen so many 1000s of rounds shot by so many different people with many different guns and Glock is the only brand that I never saw a problem with. O.K. I saw one guy rip the front sight off (standard plastic sight) during a tactical reload.
I don't recall everf seeing any problems with the Beretta 92FS either. I would have been very comfortable using one as a duty weapon.
I would carry H&K, Sig, Beretta, and some Smith & Wessons if I had to, but as long as I have a choice, I would always choose a Glock when picking a semi-auto duty weapon.
Anyway, sorry this got a little longwinded.
Most numbers made for military & police. Browning HP (aka P35). Over 70 years of continuous worldwide service.
Sig 220's around these parts for police.
here in memphis its sig and glock
Heh..that's a pretty good problem to have..there's a lot to like about em:smt023Quote:
Originally Posted by babs
homeland security here also use Sig .357
glock here
Berreta for military.. its not the best gun that they are after... its the lowest bidder!!
The biggest Police Dept on NC has 1,627 sworn officers and they carry Smith & Wesson M&P fullsize.
Greene County NC standard issue is Glock 9mm but most csrry their own .40's. When it time to buy new guns they will be taking sealed bids and lowest bidder wins.
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Originally Posted by Mr. P
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here in Salem NH the locals HAVE NO CHOICE...the town makes them carry Glocks... but 99.7% like XD s better:smt023
Glocks for the LEO'S where I work 40 S&W
With an attitude like that I can see why us "Fucking Cops" in west Florida would burn paper on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by reconNinja
Up here in Northern MA I've seen mostly Sig's and Beretta's. When I was in the gun shop a few weeks ago I asked an officer who was in there and he said he was carrying a P226 in a 40. My guess as to the Beretta's would be that departments picked them up after the military did, the stigma of being a military gun probably lent it to being favored.
I'd like to hear more about the Mark 23 HK though. I've read up on it in the past and it seems like the ultimate in handguns. Of course, I've never fired one and at the price of upwards of $2,000 I doubt I ever will, they also seem to be pretty rare.
Whoa!!! Your Ambulance Drivers carry guns? It has been a while since I was in Wichita, is it that bad?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by KingAirDriver
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