OC'ing vs CC'ing: The on-going battle
One can go onto any number of gun carry websites and can be almost assured of running across posters arguing the merits and follies of carrying openly or concealed. Generally, those who open carry are more open minded and accepting of concealed carriers than the other way around. And that is probably due to the fact that most who open carry also conceal carry when they deem it to be in their interests at a given time and place. So why is there such animosity shown towards OC'ers by CC'ers? Why do they name call and degrade those who, other that the fact that their sidearm is visible, are no different than those who choose to hide their piece? Why do we have this sort of division, this fracture in our ranks when we should know better and certainly should know that we are only feeding the anti's with fodder they can use against us.
We have all heard the arguments. Your gun will be taken from you. You will be the first to be targeted. You are just trying to get a rise out of the general public, or better yet, the local police. You want your 15 minutes of fame on youtube and this is your moment. And on and on. The one reason which tends to come across more ominous is that CC'ers believe that their privilege, read that as permission, to carry conceal may be at risk if too many people go around in public with openly displayed sidearms. They like to use California as an example but in that state, we know what passes for sanity when it comes to the Second Amendment. Nothing.
For several years I have professed that we need to stop this incessant arguing and in-fighting and fully support both modes of carry, regardless of whether or not we refuse to practice one or the other. We are all in this together and we had better see that sooner than later because the forces at work to remove our most fundamental right of freedom would like nothing better than to see us further tear ourselves into splinters over something so silly as arguing about how one goes about armed.
So for those of you who do fully support both modes of carry, I say thank you, God bless you, and I am within your ranks. To those who wish to continue to denigrate OC'ers as one step up from knuckle dragging slack jaws, please take a look at yourself in a mirror. You are the problem and are not on the side of freedom.
Thank you folks.... and please, we ARE all in this together.
Re: OC'ing vs CC'ing: The on-going battle
You're statment is a little off, granted I'm only going by the news articles, so if you have something more solid I'd like to hear it.
1: the guy in VA had his gun taken after the chase, not before.
2: the guy in MI probably would have lost his gun if a passer-by had not come to his assistance, whether it counts or not is a matter of opinion, I think it counts as it shows an unarmed assailant not deterred by a visibly carried firearm and was besting the open carry advocate.
3: all the retention devices in the world will not matter if someone has you at gun point and is demanding your gun. I need to double check but I'm pretty sure the guy in WI was using a Serpa
4: yes, situational awareness matters, but you can't see everything 100% of the time. A determined attacker will find your blindspot.
Re: OC'ing vs CC'ing: The on-going battle
Originally Posted by Steveboos
Then why all the fuss for OCers to use retention holsters?
I really don't care how anyone carries, but you can't tell me the open carry movement is activley dismissing take-a-ways while greatly endorsing active retention holsters.
Regarding thed data, again I remember not being able to cite any sources, now there's at least three, so it would seem that there ARE occuring more often, despite being infrequent.
If your operational risk managment process put a fraction of a second faster draw stroke above the negatives associated with open carry, that's cool but the open carry movement as a whole can't beat the "show me drum" any more like they used to and I think it would be foolish for an open carrier to play these instances down.
It can happen to you.
For others discretion is the better part of valor.