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I don't have a concealed carry permit, but am thinking about getting it. The problem is here in Ohio all the stores have signs posted on the doors that say no firearms.
I have alot of friends that have permits but, don't carry because of this. Are most businesses in other states like this ? Thanks Dan
Depends on the state. Some, like yours, are set up where the signs carry legal weight. Others, the signs carry legal weight only if they meet certain requirements such as location and letter size. In other states, like Florida here, the signs mean nothing unless they are redundantly posted on places that are already on the no carry list.
Take a look thru this site. It should give you the information you need...
Handgunlaw.us
In my state, they can have forty signs.....the worst that can happen, is they ask you to leave...if you don't, you get a trespassing citation...I basically ignore all signs, and if asked to leave, I will....and never patronize their place again...usually I won't patronize anyone who has a sign posted, but sometimes you miss them.....
Exactly how it is here. They see it, they ask you to leave. You do, no problem. You don't, they call the police and you get criminal trespass.Quote:
Originally Posted by berettabone
If that's the case in Ohio, or with many establishments there, this allows law abiding citizens to be unarmed and unable to defend themselves and others while allowing armed criminals to have a free pass. I don't believe an armed criminal will abide by not entering the gun free zones, but will relish in it.
I neither advocate illegal activity, nor being a scofflaw, but...
"Concealed is concealed."
You need to make your own decisions on this matter.
Steve, my sentiments exactly, especially with the Aurora, Co., incident so freshly ingrained in our minds. It's not the law abiding citizens who lawfully carry concealed who pose the risk, but the armed criminal. Statistics overwhelmingly speak for themselves and if that were the case no state would have CCW. It still puzzles me in a state that allows CCW, no one in that theatre returned fire, but of course, I was not there and it may not have been feasible. Generally, those nut cases are cowards and i truly believe he would have ran in confronted w/ appropriate force, but one can never tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1
We had an incident up here a few months back.....people were in the checkout line at an Aldi's....two guys came in to rob the place, and one guy had a sawed off....a guy standing in line, saw the guy with the shotgun, starting to wave the firearm around and stick it in a employee's face, and start to become aggitated....foolishness I know, but he had a Steyr 9mm, and since, apparently, didn't have one in the chamber, had to quietly rack the slide on his firearm, while he was in line(I know). They didn't notice(idiots), and he ended up shooting both of them.....one of them ran out of the store, and lived..the one with the shotgun, was shot in the chest and head...where in the head, I don't know, but he lived also...so much for the caliber wars.....the store had no firearms postings, so, he ignored the postings, and carried in anyway....he wasn't prosecuted for ignoring the signs, but he is still trying to get his firearm back...they're saying that they need it for evidence, but his attorney stated that they could just take a picture of it, along with the serial number, and return his firearm....the legal battle still goes on..............
I agree with the "concealed is concealed" argument! If I'm carrying in a place that has some BS sign (not government establishments, etc.), and I have to protect myself, my Family or some innocents from some gun toting idiot so be it! I will deal with the fallout that will undoubtably follow. I would rather have my lawyer deal with it than our family funeral director!
In those states like FL that the signs carry no legal weight and you don't leave if asked,remember that the trespass charge you recieve is a felony,you are now a criminal so to say and your civil rights are gone.Just leave and tell them loud enough for others to hear you will not support their store since they have no security,it's obvious their patron's money is all they want and could care less about their safety if they get robbed.
Here in Pa. we have an open cary state (except for Philly)along with CC. There is a club that holds OPEN CARRY meetings in a different place each time and from what I hear they are generally welcome at most places they go. I am thinking of joining them as I think it's good to get people that dont know anything about firearms and carrying them a chance to ask questions as well as get used to the Idea. Philly was challanged a while back on open carry and when it made it to court the guy won and got a small settlement. unless its a federal Bld. or a place Im not supposed to carry according to my CC permit rules I do what I feel is right and keep it to myself.BTW great fourm......
Wow he literally just possibly saved that employees life if not many others and they have to keep his gun for evidence. Sounds like a crock of shit to me.
...But, ah, if he'd only had a .45! :smt083 :anim_lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by berettabone
Such signs are pretty rare in Virginia so our choices about which businesses get our dollars are excellent.
If you are carrying concealed, nobody knows you have it unless a situation calls for it. IF that happens, be glad you have it and who cares what the store policy is... at least you had the gun when you needed it.
This is a great resource!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harryball
Its so frustrating though! Some states do not honor my permit! Some states allow "force of law" by private citizens posted signs!!! What is this world coming to? Just going to have to use my best judgement I guess. Like other posters said, that aurora incident really opened my eyes to the importance of carry. Before I just thought I was kinda a gun nut.
All due respect... and I'm NOT a lawyer.....
Indiana is a "shall issue State", regarding licenses/permits. "No Guns" signs do NOT carry the weight of law in Indiana, outside those places that Indiana Code currently forbids firearms carry... schools, aircraft, courthouses, etc. The property owner may only ask you to leave, and refusal may generate a trespass charge.
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Originally Posted by rex
Misdemeanor Trespassing - MisdemeanorGuide.comQuote:
A misdemeanor trespassing is essentially a criminal offense but not at the same level of a felony. It also depends on what you're doing on the property. If you're just hanging out with no intention of committing a crime, it is still considered a misdemeanor trespassing offense. If you enter onto a property with the intent of committing a crime and carry out the crime you might be charged for misdemeanor trespassing and felony burglary.
In March of this year, U.S. Sen. John Thune[R-S.D. introduced the " Respecting States' Rights and Concealed Carry Recipricity Act of 2012" The Second Amendment protects our right to carry firearms. It shouldn't be constrained by state boundary lines. This would allow you to carry in any state that issues conceal carry licenses similar to your state or holder. I am not sure if they have decided what "similar" would be yet. Hopefully, it will go far enough to get a vote, and even better, end up a law.QUOTE=jakeleinen1;271768]This is a great resource!
Its so frustrating though! Some states do not honor my permit! Some states allow "force of law" by private citizens posted signs!!! What is this world coming to? Just going to have to use my best judgement I guess. Like other posters said, that aurora incident really opened my eyes to the importance of carry. Before I just thought I was kinda a gun nut.[/QUOTE]
That is true,but that's misdemeanors.No mention of armed tresspass,that's a felony enywhere I know.If you're asked to leave for this discussion,it's because you were made and the cops probably know before they get there.Leave when you're told,this is where you don't throw a fit or political discussion.I'd say goodbye and I guess my money's more important than any of your customer's safety,have a good day-IF I said more than bye.If you refuse in somebody's business,it's like you're at their house,it's their property to do as they will within the law.We did get an employer's parking lot for employees exempted,but a busness owner rules the facility.Quote:
Originally Posted by usmcj
shoot4fun,Quote:
Originally Posted by shoot4fun
I highly recommend getting your permit. The amount of education that you will get in the course is well worth taking the class. Ohio's concealed law states that you must not be able to tell if you're carrying...SO, nobody knows except YOU.
Also, most of the trouble that you may run into isn't going to be the location, as much as it is between point A and B. It may depend on what type of establishments you're visiting too.
berettabone,Quote:
Originally Posted by berettabone
STOP...I don't know what you may've been told in your CCW class, but we were given strict instructions that in the event of an armed robbery we were NOT to get involved in stopping it. Stopping the robbery is the job of law enforcement. Unless your life is threatened (circumstances vary) we were told to not attempt to stop the robbery. Each state may instruct or handle this situation differently. :smt102
However, if the robber (s) fire their weapon, at any time or for any reason, everything changes. When you have a clear shot and can draw your weapon undetected, the robbers are fair game. :smt071
Todd,Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd
Like I stated earlier, this may very from state to state, but the weapon MUST be concealed. In other words, NOT visible to others around you. If it's visible, either by printing (outlined in the clothes) or "peaking" from under a shirt/jacket, it's not considered concealed.
Carrying concealed into a posted establishment is an individual choice. However, it gets discovered that you were carrying, things could go very bad (legally) for that person. The establishment owner's opinion may vary, due to circumstances (someone's life being saved), but it's a chance that the person carrying takes.
Bowhunter57
Here in Nevada u can open carry and also have a handgun, hidden or in plain view, in your vehicle.
Here in Texas we can conceal or open carry
Most places have signs saying a concealed handgun is ok as long as you have a permit..not including government establishments....so it depends on the state
I call in advance to see what the CCW rule is before I carry..ie:: hotels, department stores (even through Target does has a sign), etc
Billy
In Texas you can only open carry a long gun, you can NOT open carry a handgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by T-55A5
When someone sticks a shotgun in your face, I don't know what else you think is needed to protect yourself...wait until he shoots? Ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowhunter57