That pistol bayonet is all wrong. The blade should be pointed on the end, not flat.:smt082
I have a laser but it's in The Box, no flashlight
You just don't put a light on your firearm and hope for the best. There are times when it should be used, and times when it shouldn't. Each and every scenario will pretty much dictate which. Over the years, I've had updated trng. numerous times.
I'm not a fan of lasers and never have been. They are a gimmick. Worked 29 yrs. as a cop, in all types and sorts of situations, w/o one just fine.
But.....let's talk lights, either mounted on a firearm or hand-held. They are just as important as a gun. Doesn't matter where I'm at, or what I'm doing, if I'm armed, I've got a light as well.
When traveling on the road, and we stay at a motel for the night, IMHO, it's essential that you have a firearms grade light with you. There's been more than one time, that a fire alarm went off at 0 dark thirty. Or, if it's late at night and you find you need to return to your vehicle for something, it's very nice to have a very small, very powerful light with you.
I could list other needs for a good light, but I think I made my point. Seriously, if you feel the need to have a gun handy, a good light should be just as close.
I don't have a lazer,haven't had the eyes go bad enough to need one yet.
Lights,I won't put one on a handgun,makes a perfect target for the other guy.
[QUOTE=rex;291768]I don't have a lazer,haven't had the eyes go bad enough to need one yet.
Lights,I won't put one on a handgun,makes a perfect target for the other guy.[/QUOTE]
That's a common misconception. Just like the ole saying, "Rack a shotgun slide and it'll scare um away".
A firearm mounted light has it's usefulness. No real difference than having one in your free hand. But there again, training is necessary and knowing when and where to use it is essential.
I keep a hand held light by my night stand gun. But the gun has a TSR 3 on it. Light weight and easy to find since it's attached. Neither light is for search. They are for a quick flash target identification. If appropriate, bang to follow.
I understand your point,but there's pros and cons like other things.We were taught that 30 years ago in the acadamy and made alot of sense to me.I'll take a handheld with a pressure button,I can shoot one handed.
Originally Posted by rex
30 yrs. ago, we didn't have semi-autos with tactical rails, or the ability to attach a light to a handgun.
And yes, as long as I have a light if I need one, I can shoot one-handed w/o a problem.
I have one gun with C.T. lasergrips sp101 3 in 327, my house gun. because my vision is not good enough to see the sights at night. daytime is no problem .I would not have a light on my gun but thats in my left hand and has two purposes, 1 blind the intruder 2 make sure it is an intruder.
I have 2 with a lazer CZ75 and a hipoint C9 the C9 was just for fun its a fun gun to modify because its so cheap im not worried about messing it up. The CZ i put one on but i almost prefer the way it looks with just the raw rail on it. The teeth on the rail make it look kinda mean compaired to the lazer.
and no lazer
I have a couple tactical .22 rifles and i havnt put anything on them because IMO it starts to look cheezy I like the way the AR guns look with out all the junk hanging all over them. I like the look of a scope on a rifle but not on a hand gun.
M&P 15-22, Mossberg 715T, GSG522, M&P 15-22P
I use a laser pointer and a flashlight attachment, because it gives me options.
I can turn either one off.
Laser gives me quick target acquisition
and light is helpful in dark areas (obviously)
similar to the one in the picture.
I have a flashlight on my gun bc I enjoy a good read before bed.
Close range, attack style no laser needed, but in a crossfire or semi distance yea the laser, do not want to chance hitting a innocent bystander, with a laser you wont, I know we all practice but in the real world a lot of that practice becomes mute..
I have a tactical light on my HD gun. The switch is right in from to the trigger guard, and before the bg can react to a intense light in his eyes, he will also have to deal with my muzzle flash. It is also my responsibility to identify the target, and to determine if they are a threat. NC has a castle doctrine, but they must pose a threat. Shooting a bg in the back cause he turned to run or surrendered may not be ruled a justified shooting by the DA.
Where I live there are no lights around, so it is pitch black inside my house, and I would be shooting blind at a noise without a light. The light is also great for aim, at 5 - 7 yards, with bright spot on center mass, my rounds will hit center mass. I also have night sights, but unless I can also see the target in total darkness, they are pretty much useless.
Never liked hanging stuff off the front of my pistols. I do have a Surefire forend on my Mossberg though. Its my "bump in the night" gun.
This is a popular internet gun forum topic; and it comes up all the time. Here are some of my favorite answers:
QUESTION: Is an attached tactical light an advantage, or a disadvantage?
ANSWER: An attached light is USUALLY a liability on a gun; but, NOT when the attached light's user is supported by additional members of an, 'assault’ or, ‘entry’ team.
QUESTION: What are the problems with an unsupported shooter who is using an attached tac light?
ANSWER: As long as an attached light remains fixed to his gun, an unsupported shooter is forced to move at a disadvantage, and faces a higher risk of being effectively snookered in a sudden ambush. If an unsupported shooter doesn’t spot the bad guy BEFORE the bad guy is ready to engage him then he runs a greater risk of becoming A TARGET, himself.
QUESTION: So, what about a laser?
ANSWER: An attached laser has its valid uses, too. A laser is an excellent training tool, and really come into, ‘its own’ in dim light (IMO, better than, ‘night sights’). Most people screw up while using a laser because they attempt to aim the laser in the same way that they aim conventional pistol sights.
When using a laser what should be aimed is the dot, itself, instead of the sights.
All pistol sights, ‘wobble’ while the shooter is aiming. In order to hit well with a pistol one of the first things a shooter has to do is learn, ‘How’ to control that wobble. It’s no different with a laser; it’s just that the wobble is a lot more discernible. I’ve shot in dimly lit rooms with other gunmen who were using lasers. I remember two shooters who were very good with their lasers. For a shooter who’s used to working with one a laser can be a highly effective aiming device - Better, IMO, than ordinary iron sights.
I, also, think that a new pistol shooter can be trained in the principles of aiming a gun, and brought along a lot quicker with a laser than without.
QUESTION: Do you believe that it's, tactically, a good idea to lead with your pistol while you are searching through a confined environment; and, especially, while you are moving past open doorways, or around tight corners?
ANSWER: Leading with a flashlight that’s held in your support hand is one thing. Leading with a flashlight attached to a gun is another. Personally, I'd rather lead with my flashlight, just in case someone grabs for it.
When I was learning these things I was taught to keep my pistol tucked in tight to my side and, then, thrust it out and into the target at the moment of engagement. Which always causes me to snicker to myself whenever I’m watching one of these action cop or gun movies - Those shows where the heroes move forward with their arms outstretched, 'professionally' thrusting their pistols ahead of them, and just begging to be either diverted or disarmed!
If you have the clearance and the room then - whether your tac light is attached to your gun, or not - go ahead and, 'split-the-pie' with an outstretched gun in your hands; otherwise, keep your pistol tucked in tight to your side. (Bruce Willis sure does look cool whenever he does this, though; doesn’t he!)
Another thing: What do you do if the target is unknown, and might even be a, ‘friendly’? Cooper’s Second Rule Of Firearm Safety states,
‘Never allow your muzzle to point at - or, even so much as, sweep across - ANYTHING you are unwilling to see destroyed.’
Every CQB pistol engagement is actually a, ‘two way street’! A gun-mounted light shines BOTH ways. Don’t give your opponent a clear sight path straight back to your own center-of-mass. You'll, also, be a lot faster on the draw if you don't hang anything off the end of your pistol; and THAT is a large part of what carrying a pistol is really all about.
Lane Owens, the owner of, 'Cold Bore Customs' is a retired (Houston, TX?) police officer who posts a lot on Glock Talk. Lane tells a story about having his weapon-mounted light (and pistol) shot clean out of his hands by a felon who later admitted that he aimed at the source of the light!
As mentioned above: Mounted tactical lights work best when the user is supported by a group of other gunmen; i.e.: a tactical entry, or assault team. A non-supported shooter using a weapon-mounted light is, kind 'a, like a shooter with a one shot pistol. If you are successful and immediately light the target up - fine! You've got him; however, if you have to search for the target, and keep missing him with the beam, then the advantage goes to the target!
The moment the BG is out of the beam he's free to acquire YOU as the target; and, 'flashing on and off' isn't going to help much, either. You can only flash on and of so many times before you lose the majority of your night vision.
Personally, before we turn in for the night, I'll often check the farm's perimeter and make sure that there's nothing, 'huge and ornery' loose in one of the adjacent hayfields. Whenever I do this I like to carry a 450 Lumen, Fenix, TK-12, tac light. I wear it on a SAFETY lanyard around my neck, and operate it with a modified, 'FBI hold' in my support hand.
The light operates as it should away from my body, and independent of the muzzle's direction. (NOT an important consideration when you're dealing with an errant buffalo; but, definitely a valuable technique to employ when you catch a group of armed NYC Latin Kings using your farm dumpster in order to dump their toxic methamphetamine waste.)
Handgun Flashlight Hold