Just like the title says, do you have one one some gun of yours? How many? Why or why not?
Im looking into purchasing one myself for the HK USP-C or maybe my Px4 (NOT my glocks) just to give one of the 9's something special I think a flashlight is more practical, considering a laser also...
no, because long before it illuminates or fixes your point of aim on target, it shows the bad guy where your are.
My 2 carry guns are equipped with lasers. My Glock 30 has a Lasermax guide rod laser, and my S&W 642 revolver has Crimson Trace laser grips.
The Glock laser has more than paid for itself. I was working an off-duty security detail when we had an armed suspect refusing to drop a handgun after multiple warnings to drop it. I activated the laser, and his eyes went wide. He then dropped the gun immediately. He later admitted he intended to shoot it out until he saw the laser, and my associates confirmed they had started to squeeze their triggers to shoot him right before he dropped the gun.
Even though we would have been completely justified in shooting the man, we didn't have to, thereby avoiding lengthy and expensive investigations, grand jury appearances, lawsuits, and psychological trauma.
I have heard all of the arguments against lasers, and after having a practical experience with one, I can say I am a true believer. I still practice shoot with iron sights regularly, so the laser isn't a crutch, as some would say. A $300 laser prevented a shootout, period.
None I use the sights, they usually come standard with a handgun
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Originally Posted by crescentstar69
I have a light/laser combo on my house gun. The laser will allow more accurate fire from unorthodox shooting positions and the light is identification of would-be targets, not so much for searching.
The use of a Weapon Mounted Light (WML) also allows for keeping a hand free for phone / navigation / manipulation of obstacles etc.
My carry guns do not have lasers, I do carry a handheld light and have been toying around with the idea of the Safariland RLS but haven't given it a go yet.
Same goes for the Crimson trace units, now that a bobtail model exists for 1911s I may have to get a set foe me and the Mrs. Too bad there's nothing for my HKs yet.
I have a flashlight on my SR9c, and I LOVE it.
I have a Glock tac-lite on my house gun, a Glock 32Gen3, and a Glock tac-lite/laser on my PD gun, a Glock 31Gen4.
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Here's the laser in fairly brite lite.
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I believe that knowing whom you might be shooting is the MOST-important issue in home self defense.
I have a tac. light on the H.D. shotgun but the handguns (with the exception of my match guns, they carry red dots) are attachment free. I do keep a powerful flashlight with the bedside gun but not attached to it. I use the lights for final shoot no shoot decision. I turn them on at last moment for positive ID before doing something that can't be undone. Some folks tell me I'm stupid for using a light but I have older eyes, and a wife, pets, and grandkids that tend to get up during the night. Like I said positive ID because I don't have a clue how to un-fire a weapon after It's been fired.
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Just a light for now, but I can see a few lasers in my future, as my eyesight gets worse and worse.
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...as it blinds him and causes him to involuntarily flinch/turn away from your position. I've tried it with an unmounted TLR-1 light and folks role-playing a bad guy; it's bright enough to cause pain, and night-blindness for 5-10 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell
all true enough.... but BEFORE your light or laser is fixed on the bad guy , doesnt it give away your EXACT position? or does the light or laser immediately illuminate the bad guy every time, no matter where you point it? or do you only point it at the bad guy after you already know where he is?Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Niner
I have tons of LED lights - and I keep an Eagletac light (my fav brand) on my nighstand. I would rather have a seperate light in my hand. But, I do practice a lot of 1 handed shooting. In house hold distances, I know I can hit a target 1 handed.
I have nothing on my fighting pistols. My wife has a laser on her pistol to dry fire practice with so she remains on target through the trigger squeeze and follows through. I was taught total light and noise discipline when fighting at night so all they'll probably see from my positiion is a blinding flash as the pistol goes off and and they go to hell. If we are in a situation and you suddenly cover me with a light or laser all it will do is draw fire as I move to cover for sure. If you are about to murder an untrained assailant or intruder then it will make them hesitate for sure and probably give you an edge but not all people are amateurs. When it gets down to it some of us will be moving in with one eye closed so that we will not be completely night blind if lit up or from muzzle flash.
Yes that is the idea of the flash light, you do not use it to wander around and look at the house you find the disturbance prepare to engage it have your weapon up and ready then flip on the light I.D. shoot or not shoot as situation requires.
'bout time this got good... :watching: "NOM NOM NOM NOM..."
Pretty much that last choice. I don't feel a need to search much; if the threat comes to the sleeping area, it's getting illuminated, and due to the layout of the house and natural choke-points, yes, I will know almost exactly where it is as it approaches. Use of a light may very well give away my exact position, but he won't be able to use that information to any good effect unless he can react quicker and more accurately than I can act (unlikely).Quote:
Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell
I do have a hand-held light in the bedroom for building searching, or other more mundane chores, but most of the instruction/training I've been exposed to says if you are moving around, even in your own very-familiar house, you are presenting yourself as a target to any hidden assailant. It's darn hard to get ambushed in your safe room.
Presenting your abode as a hard target vs. soft, and having early alerting and layered defenses are critical; if the first warning you get about someone being in the house is him whispering in your ear, well, you aren't having a good day, and tomorrow isn't looking very nice either.
I'm older so I have no recent training but I checked with a young friend of mine (from a different country where they are actively engaged right now) they train to fight at night and use a light handheld off to one side so if he does get shot at it may hit him in a place other than square in the face.
thanks for explaining it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Niner
I have a LaserMax on the rail of my G20, and CT Laser Grips on two other pistols and one revolver.
With the exception of the G20, I have them on small, powerful handguns that I would never use if I had something better. My thinking is that they would be easier to use in a dark, scary situation, or as has already been mentioned, a scenario where a textbook grip might not be possible or practical. Also, I don't have to wear glasses to shoot them accurately, which could prove to be important in a self-defense situation.
The G20 is used for walking to my deer blind, before daylight, in wooded areas where wild hogs hang out and the possibility exists for large cats to be around.
I like the idea of a handheld flashlight better, as pointing a firearm at someone/something that I might not want to shoot doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
This is true, I agree to an extentQuote:
Originally Posted by MLB
I use trigger discipline when aiming a firearm, if i had a light or a laser, and I thought there was a bad guy w/ possibilities of friendlies, nobody would could get shot until my finger was on the trigger, the gun can shoot by itself
Even when there are friendlies in your area, doesn't stop the need to be cautious so I still see why someone would have a flashlight on their gun, I would rather have an extra hand as well for fighting, aiming, or opening doors, etc.
I have Lasers on ALL of my small CCW guns...
They help in the dark/low light conditions.
Also, I feel that the laser beam will help make the BG think...Maybe???
Lateck,
Exactly! The psychological impact is definitely a factor. In my earlier post about my experience, I forgot to mention the funny part. The guy actually tried to wipe the red dot off of him with his hand!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lateck
I have used Tasers with and without laser sights. When pointing the earlier model without the laser, the BG often said, "so what, shoot me". When we upgraded to laser sighted models, it absolutely made a huge difference. The rate of compliance to verbal commands went up by a staggering amount when that dot was on them. It was also apparent that people drunk or high on drugs got the point quicker with the laser dot on them.
I can absolutely say without a doubt it makes a major difference. The experience with the Tasers is why I equipped my handguns with lasers.
You all have inspired me! I'm duct tapping a swiss army knife to my shotgun. Should be very effective, it even has a can opener! Happy Thanksgiving! What a great holliday, just sittin around being lazy, eating and watching football!