Good for mtn. gun (protection vs. bear/cougar) or just a snake and people gun?
Good for mtn. gun (protection vs. bear/cougar) or just a snake and people gun?
From my experience with it, it suffers from being the mixture of two things. This means its good at neither. The one thing it is good at is looking scary. Its a good intimidation piece like the desert eagle.
If you used a Taurus Judge on an attacking animal, nuc, it probably would only make the animal that much angrier at you.
The Judge is a gimmick. It does nothing well...other than separating you from your money, of course.
As I've posted before, black or stainless hanguns in your hand don't compute in animal minds as a threat.
Years ago an empty .44 Mag was found in a grizzly's stomach after it was dispatched by trackers for
"activities unbecoming a bear". The .44 owner was in sad shape. As in dead, mangled, and partially eaten.
This and lots of other reported "incidents" have made me carry "enough gun".
Even though we have no grizzlies. just Blacks and lions, my trail gun is a Ruger Alaskan in .454 Casull.
The next step up is an S&W in either .460 or .500. I'm standing pat. .:mrgreen:
I think that the Judge concept is pretty much marketing hype. Which is working. Great TV ads.
The "speciality" .410 shells with the pellets AND discs do a decent job. On watermelons.
I have guns that shoot .45 Long Colt. A great cartridge in 1873. About the same as 1911 .45 ACP.
All three are fine for humans. None is a bear cartridge. Even on Black bears. But all are better than pepper spray.
Make mine a LeMat!
The Judge puts me in the mind of the Civil War LeMat. Today's reproduction from Italy fires 9 rounds of .44 ball and a single blast of 20 gauge buck. TEN ROUNDS WITHOUT A RELOAD!
LeMat Revolver, Pistols, Black Powder, Shooting : Cabelas.com
But seriously folks, S@W now has the Governor, mights well get that one if you gotta have one, taurus quality is too iffy for me.
Myself, I'll take the LeMat over either one of those!
Governor, just what the world needed. :smt009
Good grief. :anim_lol:Quote:
The Smith & Wesson Governor revolver puts six rounds of customizable response under your control. Load with .410 2 1/2" shotshells, .45 ACP or .45 Colt
"Um, Governor, could I have a reprieve?"
"Interesting—That didn't hurt very much. Now it's my turn."
"Um, Mr. BG, may I have a reprieve..."
I wish somebody would hurry up and develop a .45 ACP shot cartridge that will cycle in any semi-auto, so we could lay the Judge issue to rest. :smt082
Assassins would love this weapon. With the shot shells: no ballistics and no spent shells. You'd have the CSI boys scratching their heads.
Other than that, I don't see much advantage to it. The fire power/size is equalled with a .40 caliber Glock and the Glock has more rounds and quicker reloads.
I'm not a big fan of the Judge.
I owned one and it just sat around after the initial range visit.
It's not a range gun.
It's not the best night table gun.
For me it wasn't the best of anything ... so I sold it.:mrgreen:
Lot's of people wanted to buy it from me.:smt082
So at least it was easy to get rid of.
took me a while to come back through... meant that the judge intimidates the crap out of people. wouldnt do jack for a wild animal
Have any of you ever even tried out the Judge?With Federal handgun 000 Buckshot?
Until you own one and use the "right" ammo in it,well let's just say give me the Judge
with 000 Buckshot and the bad guy is in a world of trouble if in my house.Put the right ammo
in it and it's awesome.I have shot the Judge many times and I cannot tell you the pattern it holds and the damage it can do.Federal handgun 000 Buckshot and Remington Long Range #6's.
Good patterns.Awesome gun.
Can't wait to see the Judge vs. the Governor articles in the gunzines, or maybe I can :mrgreen:
Nevertheless, my personal experience and a little research brings up the following, somewhat discouraging, facts:
• The Federal Handgun Buckshot load is four (4) 000 pellets. Each pellet is 0.36" in diameter, and weighs 70 grains. The stated muzzle velocity of the load is 850fps, which means that, by the time the shot impacts the BG, it'll be going somewhat slower.
• Four 70-grain pellets equals 280 grains total "throw weight," but all four pellets will not hit all in the same place, so one cannot compare their effect to a single bullet from a .45 ACP or .45 "Long" Colt cartridge. One still has to look at each pellet's performance individually.
• One 70-grain pellet travelling at a mv of 850fps might impact at somewhere around 700fps. That compares to .32 ACP, but at slower impact speed. (The nearest .32 ACP round uses a 71-grain RN bullet going out at 905fps, yielding 129 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle.)
• I would expect that each 000 pellet might deliver as much as 70 foot-pounds of energy, or very slightly more. That seems to me to be insufficient for meaningful penetration, and it is penetration that does the job. Your bullets must penetrate to reach a vital area, and then they must stop there and deliver all of their momentum. Otherwise, the fight will not be stopped.
• Even at close range, the Judge delivers a pretty open pattern. Your hits will be wide-spaced. Maybe one of them will hit in an effective location, if you're lucky. But that hit will be pretty ineffective because it will not be a good penetrator.
• Therefore, the Judge will not deliver fight-stopping hits. QED
So far everything you have said is hearsay.I have the gun.I have shot it.Many times over.
My group of those (4 )-000 buckshot at 8 yards is just one big ugly hole.Not 4 holes all
over the place as you state.Not until 10 yards does it show the 4 shot pattern.About
the size of a grapefruit-maybe smaller.Mine is the 6 1/2 inch barrel,which may be
a part of the good groups.I have heard of good groups coming from the short
barrels also.As far as penetration?The penetration is through 3- 1 gallon jugs of
water at 8 yards.That's with a derringer .410-000 buckshot that held a group all the way through
those jugs at about the size of a tennis ball.Proof.Not hearsay.I don't think you are coming off as a snob.More like you think it should be the way you read it somewhere,and by over analyizing
on what you "think" it should be.Enough said.I know what the gun will do.Maybe you would too if you ever really shot one.
Chacun à son gôut.
I sincerely hope that your Judge, and the Federal loads you have for it, provide you with all of the performance you may require.
And I hope, as I do for everyone, that you never have to use it in a fight.
From everything I have read, here and elsewhere, I will never own a Taurus. Too many people say they have had trouble both with the gun and the service. Too many to dispute. I am sure there are many happy owners, but the reports are what they are....poor.
I certainly did not pay for the bike what I would have paid for the Judge so I am extremely happy with my trade...
I have read a whole lot of trash talk about the Judge on this forum. However I look at guns like tools in a toolbox. I think this pistol is kind of mission specific...
For example.. I could see it being used very well for taking out snakes if you are walking or 4wheeling through the bush.. (with feild loads of course)
If you accidentally hit a deer or other large animale on the road and needed to put it out of it's misery I think a slug or a .45 long colt would do the job well...
For everyday carry I like my Glock. I would not really want to dispatch a snake or large animal with my Glock... (but I would if I had to)
I am curious though- does anyone know which one would have more velocity- a .410 slug or a .45 long? I'm curious which would be better for large animal destruction.
Thanks for the insight:)
Most .45 "Long" Colt loads are superior to .410 slug loads.
The Colt round fires a 250-grain bullet at about 900fps.
The .410 slug load is about 100 grains at about 1,800fps (depending on its maker).
Kinda thinking out loud here but, if you want a long gun then buy a long gun. If you want a handgun then buy a handgun. If you want both in one gun your choosing a weapon that will outperform nothing and if you're gonna do that at least don't choose the Taurus over the S&W.