Printable View
Recoilguy I call it like I see it. Is it an exact copy? Granted it is not persay. But by and large Ruger obviously took what they liked and ditched (improved) what they didn't. No doubt a patent ran out. Happens every day. The result is, I agree a more refined and improved take on the original. I have no objections. Mine is a fantastic 380. But it is what it is. A very well done copy.
In a manner of speaking they are all copies of the Seecamp. Double action, 6 +1, .380, sub-compact.
How come the Seecamp is out of favor? And the Beretta. I had the Beretta years ago and the tip up barrel makes cleaning a breeze (and these guns tend to be used less, and accumulate more lint, etc., than other guns).
From my experience with the Beretta, the small guns are not as much fun to shoot and get shot far less.
I've had a Keltec P32, and hated it because of the trigger - even though it ran 100%. I no longer have it.
I'm not really into 380 - but if I were you, I'd look at the Kahr 380 first and formost.
I think that price and availablity play into this result. And why was the list so short? There are many other weapons that fit into that catagory that should have been included in the poll.Quote:
Originally Posted by sig225
If the poll question read: If price and availability were not a factor what weapon would you choose amongst the .380 sub-compact automatics.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Packard
Hi,
For a 380 , I didn't go with either one on the list.
I gathered all the Gun-Tests-reviews for all the 380's along with the buyers guide and I found
that the CZ-USA CZ -83 with the all steel frame, along with it's hammer firing wins.
Hands down it is more reliable been shot and reviewed more times then the others.
It isn't another striker fired mini, It's small reliable and did I mention , it's all -steel.
The only plastic on it is the grips, It holds 12+1 so you have capacity.
It is rated a A+ for reliability, value and accuracy.
It comes with a 3.8" barrel , longer sight plane , equals more accurate shooting.
AT 15 yards it shoots all twelve in the 9 ring for CHL qualifying.
I've shot 500 rounds through it now without a glitch
and it only weighs 28 oz.
This is as big and heavy as my old PPKs in stainless steel. At 6.8" long and 5" high a bit too long and at 28 oz. too heavy for a pocket pistol. My PPKs in an inside the waistband holster and a tee-shirt not tucked in would conceal well. But it would not make a pocket pistol. Too big and too heavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tx944
If I wanted to go that big and heavy I would go back to the PPKs (in .380, not .320). It is a proven design and very reliable too.
I prefer the Sig 238. Small, accurate, reliable. I carry it in a Don Hume pocket holster.
I've had the pleasure of firing these weapons, They will all do nicely. However as far as 380's go I prefer the Sig P238 for pocket carry, it's trigger is sweet.
Since the .380 (no matter which you choose) will take possession of one of your pockets, might not a Kel-tec 9mm (single stack) conceal just as well? It is just .88" thick; about as thick as most .380s. It is taller and longer by a bit, but would still fit in my pocket.
So my question is, does the .380 make sense in light of the Kel-tec or does the 9mm make more sense?
I picked the LCP since it's the one I own and I did pick it over the other two when I purchased it. The reasons were this. My past experience with Ruger and Ruger's reputation for building quality firearms and their super service is there if needed. My second choice would be the Taurus. I've own several Taurus firearms and they work quite well. But I have heard bad stories about their service dept. Third I would pick the P3AT. It's a good gun and the one that started this whole polymer pocket rocket frenzy! :rolleyes:
The LCP.Reliable.Small.Light.Thin.Plenty of rounds to do plenty of
damage.Comfort and easy concealment.Could,nt ask for more.
I voted LCP.
I looked at the other two also and found Ruger's quality of build to be better IMHO.
Lateck,
This is a recommendation on what not to get. About a year ago my brother took my daughter shopping for a handgun and they wound up with a Bersa in the 380. I have just given her boyfriend the go ahead to go find something else and trade the Bersa in. The boyfriend (has CHL, owns a number of guns and shoots frequently) says it jams and fails to eject constantly. He says he can't find ammo it likes and he has tried all kinds. I recommended that she look into something in a 9M because of price and availability of ammo. I am also looking for a 9 for myself. I recently purchased a Taurus 1911 45. It is a sweet shooter but a little big for carry (winter shouldn't be a problem).
One last try:Try the CCI Blazer 95 gr. TMJ.This load never jammed on my Bersa.
Just sayin.
Salesperson at Cabella's told me the Ruger, 380 had problems and would advise me not to purchase. I have on line comparison of almost all 380 pistols and would probably go with the taurus ss. I also have a Springfiield xd 40 and a s&w 38 + p spec revolver.
Whatever... the Ruger LCP has sold over 500,000 in less than 3 yrs... What problems?... They're virtually problem-free... Salespeople will sometimes push a line that has a little higher profit margin but anyone advising against the LCP will be missing a veritable tidal wave of sales that hasn't quit yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ctnv
And... What is a Taurus ss?... in .380... OK, I guess you're talking about the SLIM 708SS... Buying any Taurus is a gamble due to iffy production IMHO.
The first marketed Ruger LCP's had a recall.Claims were that they would
fire if dropped on a hard surface.The recalls were fixed immediately and
Ruger then of course took that fault out of the equation.In my opinion the little Ruger LCP
is quality,accuracy,dependability,and with the new tactical loads?Awesome carry gun.
I have the P3AT and love it. I have shot it side by side with a friend's LCP and they seemed pretty much one in the same. The December/January issue of Handgun Magazine tested the P3AT, LCP, Gaurdian and .380 Cobra side bt side and rated the P3AT the best. LCP was a very close second, then Guardian and they gave the Cobra very bad reviews. The Taurus wasn't out when I bought my P3AT and the LCP's were brand new & selling over $400 so I got the P3AT. I am very happy with it.
all i can say is like ruger
Was advised by sales person at Cabella's not to purchase the Ruger 380 due to some major problems with barrel and firing mechanism. I will go with the Taurus ss slide when I get back to NV. Cannot purchase in CT as resident of NV.
There was a recall on the firing pin. That problem has been resolved. Only older weapons would be involved. If you are buying a new weapon you are OK (unless the inventory is very old). Ruger has posted the recall on-line. Google "Ruger .380 recall" to read the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by ctnv
My understanding (I don't own one) is that this is a solid weapon with good reliablity by an upstanding manufacturer. I would really question the salesman's motivation for making the statement.
Lemme see if I get this straight... You're going to choose a Taurus over a Ruger because you're concerned about reliability issues...?!??... (Lord... please give me patience and understanding...)...
my choice is not on your list
that would be the sig238
Mine too. I think the long, heavy trigger pull on a tiny, light-weight handgun would make pricision shooting impossible. The Sig would be much easier to shoot in my imagination (I've not shot one), but I did have a Beretta .25 in single action only and I could routinely put the full magazine through at 25 feet in a group of 1-1/2".Quote:
Originally Posted by hideit
The Beretta has a lighter recoil, but recoil only affects the time to follow up, and not the accuracy.
Anyone consider the Diamondback Firearms .380? Some swear by it. Does anyone have any experience with one?