Businesses that don't want us

This is a great thread! In Florida, we are "in the middle" so to speak. I think Baldy meant to say that carrying in the Post Office, Schools and Hospitals is forbidden. You can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol but cannot carry in a bar that serves peanuts and pretzels. :mrgreen: That's pretty much a no brainer.

Jvette's quote: "I don't carry in any business as far as they know. Isn't that the idea of my CCW?" is the method I adopted.
In Florida, signs posted at the entrances mean only that if you are "discovered" they can ask you to leave and unless you want trouble, you would do well to leave immediately and quietly. If not, then there can be trouble. But if you leave immediately, nothing will happen. Just don't give them a hard time or use hand jestures such as, "You're Number One" if you get my drift. Just leave quietly and peaceably.

There are cards you can print that can be given to a store should you decide you do not want to do business there. The one I have (Sorry, I can't get it to run though Photobucket) is two-sided. On the front it has a picture of a firearm and a $ sign. Each has the red circle with the line through it. The meaning implied is NO FIREARMS = NONE OF MY MONEY. Below it are the words:
I have noticed your sign and will respect your
wishes by taking my business elsewhere.
I only shop where I can carry.

On the backside it says:
As a Citizen with a concealed handgun license, I:
• Have no felony convictions
• Have never been convicted of domestic violence
• Have no history of mental illness or drug addiction
• Have passed a background check and have my
fingerprints on file with the Authorities
• Have passed mandatory training in both the use
of a firearm and the applicable law
Can you say that about your other customers?

'ya know...on the blue forum skin that yellow is all but impossible to read...

Ya know, I didn't even know that there was a blue forum skin! My apologies. :oops:

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Originally Posted by bruce333

He's in KY, signs carry no legal weight there, all they can do is ask him to leave if they discover he's carrying.

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Man, I wish that was the case here!

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Originally Posted by bruce333

Even if the sign doesn't carry any legal weight, I would still prefer not to do business with a store, restaurant, etc., that chose to post a sign.

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Originally Posted by Todd

I apparently will never know with Kroger. I have written them twice now asking if indeed it was a corporate policy or manger policy and apparently they have felt my concern does not warrant a response. Therefore, I have decided they do no warrant my business.

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I have never seen a kroger posted and i used to have a friend that was a security guard for kroger and he said they do not have any restrictions regarding concealed carry. Sounds like you are dealing with a managers or district managers policy.

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Originally Posted by jpruett79

I have never seen a kroger posted and i used to have a friend that was a security guard for kroger and he said they do not have any restrictions regarding concealed carry. Sounds like you are dealing with a managers or district managers policy.

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Same here in Ohio - I carry in Kroger all over the State. Must be a manager thing.

Also maybe it has something to do with the type of liquor license they have - in Ohio

"Licensed D-Liquor Permit premises in which any person is consuming
liquor.
Concealed firearms are banned in premises for which a D permit
has been issued or in an open air arena for which a permit
12 of that nature has been issued. There are some exceptions to this
prohibition. The prohibition does not apply to principal holder
of D permit as long as principal holder is not consuming liquor.
The prohibition does not apply to an agent or employee of the
principal holder who is also a peace officer who is also off duty.
Possession of a concealed firearm is allowed in a retail store with
a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as concealed carry license holder is
not consuming liquor. Class D permits are generally issued to an
establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises.
In any event, be certain of the type of permit and whether liquor is
being consumed before you enter with a concealed handgun."

D6 ORC 4303.182 Sale of intoxicating liquor on Sunday between the hours 1:00pm and midnight.

D8 ORC 4303.184 Sale of tasting samples of beer, wine, and mixed beverages, but not spirituous liquor,
at retail, for consumption on premises

That Kroger may have a liquor license that prohibits the carry of a concealed weapon.

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Originally Posted by benzuncle

This is a great thread!

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I won't quote your whole post, but I think that card is brilliant. I hear in other forums a similar sentiment from law enforcement; if you have a CCW, they can be somewhat certain that you're at least an upstanding citizen. Maybe not enough to make the assumption, but it's a good start!

Several things come to mind here;

1. If it is concealed, you would be the only one to know you were carrying.

2. I would rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. We encourage crime zones by barring guns from public places. The best place for criminals is where the chances of armed combatants are the least.

3. In cases of public shootings, the shooting stops when an armed good guy arrives.

If my gun is not welcome, then neither am I. This is why I do not vacation in Canada or Mexico.

I am in Ohio. I have on ly been carrying for less than a week but I have been looking for signs but I have not found any with in my normal routine. I will not do buisness with any store that wont let me carry.

For many years, the local Lowes Home Improvement stores posted signs against weapons inside the stores. During these years, many people were robbed as they were leaving the stores.

Several of the local people sent letters to Lowes and the signs were removed. Afterward, the number of personal robberies went to almost nothing.

I am not saying the company policy was changed or that the local stores changed policy but whichever, the letters must have had an effect.

Our involvement in positive ways helps all gun owners and the honest citizens.

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Originally Posted by bruce333

Even if the sign doesn't carry any legal weight, I would still prefer not to do business with a store, restaurant, etc., that chose to post a sign.

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Here in Ohio as with many other States, some places are automatically off limits for CCW. But there are those that either choose to or are too ignorant of the proven facts about lawful citizens with a CCW license. They lump all who carry together.. You all know that Guns are evil and "Guns kill people"
One of the very popular Gun forums in Ohio," Ohioans for Concealed Carry" has a section called "DNPWA" which stands for Do not patronize while armed, which is to give it's members in particular a heads-up as to whether or not a business is anti-guns. In general the feeling here is, if a business "posts" then they are avoided by the legally carrying citizens and many are left with a business card that plainly states that since you (the business) has chosen to prohibit law abiding citizens from exercising their 2nd A rights we will respect your wishes and take our business and money to your competitor. "No Guns = No Money"

Here is a link to all of the stores in MI to avoid to date. http://mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_no_gun_signs.asp

You can click on county for it to change to alphabetical order by county.

As of today, my employer is eligable for this list:

LOGOS COMMUNICATIONS, IT PROVIDER, ALL OF NORTHERN OHIO, SOUTHERN MICHIGAN

Ikea

I dunno if you all are aware but the NRA is suing the city of seattle for a ban they placed on CC in city owend buildings/parks. The gun grabbers argument is that it is to "Keep children safe". The NRA stance is that the mayor of seattle overstepped his bound by making rules that are clearly illegal to to state pre-emption that states no locality or city make make laws that conflict with or are more strict than the state laws regarding guns.

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Originally Posted by Todd

Kroger Grocery Stores
Fuquay Varina, NC
Contacted corporate and awaiting response.

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I shop at Kroger and there are 2 that I frequent in Spring and no signs on them.

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Originally Posted by tekhead1219

While I haven't been in every store, I have yet to find one with the LEGAL sign posted in the Conroe/Woodlands/Spring area yet. Gotta love Texas, hot summers and all.:smt023:smt033

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Yes gotta love our hot summers. The only legal sign I have seen to date is at the Kelsey Siebold Clinic on 1960. I kinda figure that falls under hospital anyway and don't carry there for that reason. Funny with 2 entrances only one has the posted sign.

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Originally Posted by Todd

Applebee's (and all the other big chains) are kind of a moot point since we're not allowed to carry there even if there was no sign; due to the rule about not carrying where you can purchase and consume alcohol on premises.

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Another good thing about Texas. You can't carry if they get 51% of there revenue from the sale and on premis consumption of alcohol. Now they are also required to post a 51% sign for us so we know 100% to leave it in the truck. No 51% sign I assume that I can carry. I guess I should go by a bar and see what one is supposed to look like.

...here in Duncanville is NOT posted...but I went there with an old gent to buy him a recliner...he paid his money and they sent us to their warehouse to pick it up...the warehouse was legally posted with a 30-06 sign...I raised sand with corporate in Atlanta and got zero response...I won't go there again...they want our money and won't miss a sale...then they pull that...sneaky....

...Most banks around here are not posted...don't know about credit unions...

...just realized how old this thread is....still like Wandering Man's OK sign....I'd love to pass some out!!!

In Atlanta, the only businesses that I know of that have the No Concealed Carry sign posted is West End Mall and the Taco Mac in Midtown (go figure). In Savannah, there was the same sign posted at a Family Dollar. Ironically, Fox 5 News did a report on the rash of armed robberies that specifically targeted Family Dollar stores. Brainless liberals don't realize that (1) a CCW holder with half a brain will NOT announce that s/he has heat :smt021 and (2) robbers LOVE Gun-Free Abomination Areas. :smt076

I know it's not a "business", but I would like to offer Colorado State University. They just outlawed CC on campus. I told my youngest who was considering a transfer to CSU to find another school.



W

Those who will not learn from history and all that...

Clearly prohibitions don't work... remember 'Prohibition'... that worked well... Made the Kennedy's rich anyway... And all the illegal drugs... those laws that make the drugs illegal don't do much to stop the flow of those drugs, now do they? And all the laws against drunk driving and how many deaths caused by drunk driving are there every year?

And "Gun Free" zones are no different, they don't work either for the same reasons... people who don't obey the law won't obey new laws either, now will they.

The simple truth of "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" is lost on those who are so blind that they will not see. I don't blame the sheeple, I blame the media and the leaders... people like Bloomberg who has his armed guards but who is so adamant about preventing concealed carry in the city (along with other similar mayors of large cities)...

But then I preach to the choir, don't I...

How can intelligent people (and don't underestimate the intelligence of the anti-gun people, particularly their 'leadership') have so much trouble seeing the obvious...

Stoney
{who loves those signs/cards that you can leave with a business... would get some if I ever ran into a place that had signs that told me not to carry on their premises...}

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Originally Posted by Brevard

Ohhh I want some of those. But my luck they would just get thrown away.

I know about NC and banks. I meant banks all over the country. Post offices are classified as a government building so techincally you arent suppose to carry in there.

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I guess its all fucked up in this country with the carry laws i've been reading all these fourums from all these states but in the state of Indiana you can carry into bars as well as any banks which i thought banks would be a complete no but to my suprise it is completely leagal!!

I've heard that Harris Teeter has posted signs at stores around NC. Seen a few posts on other forums with photos of the signs below.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_D4xhLKPtdns/S-...s144/0_0-1.jpg

edit:Nevermind...:smt023

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Thank you for reaching out to our company with your comments. We understand your concerns and will begin removing signs from our stores this week.
Catherine

Catherine Reuhl
Communication Specialist
Harris Teeter
701 Crestdale Road
Matthews, NC 28105
704/844-3904 - w
704/957-0744 - c

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Originally Posted by bruce333

I've heard that Harris Teeter has posted signs at stores around NC. Seen a few posts on other forums with photos of the signs below.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_D4xhLKPtdns/S-...s144/0_0-1.jpg

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I guess Applebee's expects the server making 2.85 an hour to restock the salad-bar AND ensure the safety of it's patrons......I believe I'll be carrying my CW where ever I go, and when I encounter LEGAL signs, make sure I tell the owner/manager why I WON'T be patronizing their store.

"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

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Originally Posted by bruce333

I've heard that Harris Teeter has posted signs at stores around NC. Seen a few posts on other forums with photos of the signs below.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_D4xhLKPtdns/S-...s144/0_0-1.jpg

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I'll have to check out the two by me.

Jason's Deli in Fort Worth has a NO GUNS policy, with sign. I emailed them and received a return telephone call from the district manager. I asked him if he had heard of Luby's in Killeen (1992). He said that he definitely knew about Luby's and was a gunowner himself. He further stated that he didn't think that a customer who was licensed to carry would be bothered by Luby's employees. I told him that I knew the law and that I wouldn't risk losing my CHL or be prosecuted for carrying in posted businesses; that I and my extended family would no longer patronize Luby's.