And the Showdown Begins....

Well as some of you know I've been wanting to get a G36 (after having shot one) to do a little side-by-side with my XD9SC before my CHP arrives. I sold my XD9 Service today, and within 2 1/2 hours had purchased a G36 (found a good deal locally). Anyways, I'm excited to get out to the range with the new G36! I already field stripped it and cleaned it up. I'm going to make a run to Walmart, purchase some ammo, and off to the range I go! (after having a heartattack because I'm used to 9mm ammo prices :mrgreen:). I'm not going to do a side-by-side today, I'm only going to shoot the G36 (I want to get in atleast one range session for trigger time on the G36 before doing my comparison tests). So, I just wanted to share, and I will update when I return from the range! :smt023

-Jeff-

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Very nice. I envy your complete lack of will power :anim_lol:

Congrats! :smt023

XD traitor! :numbchuck::numbchuck::numbchuck:

Welcome to the Dark Side. :mrgreen:

Nice aquisition. Enjoy it.

congratulations.
Next you must purchase an M&P then you will be well rounded. :mrgreen:

Enjoy

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Originally Posted by Dsig1

Very nice. I envy your complete lack of will power :anim_lol:

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What is this "will power" you speak of? :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by unpecador

Congrats!

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Thanks! :smt023

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Originally Posted by Todd

XD traitor! :numbchuck::numbchuck::numbchuck:

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I was wondering if it would be you or JeffWard that was going to have the honors. :numbchuck::anim_lol:

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Originally Posted by Mike Barham

Welcome to the Dark Side. :mrgreen:

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What is this "Dark Side" that you speak of? :smt083:smt033

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Originally Posted by TOF

congratulations.
Next you must purchase an M&P then you will be well rounded.

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Thanks! I know, if I got an M&P, I'd have the whole trio! :anim_lol: I'm going to have to keep these two away from each other, they might pick fights with one another. :numbchuck::anim_lol:

-Jeff-

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Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo

I'm going to have two keep these two away from each other, they might pick fights with one another.

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The Glock would win.

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Well, the range trip was interesting to say the least. First impression - I like it! You can definitely tell you're shooting 45's out of this little cannon, but the recoil is by no means overwhelming...it's actually very controllable. It just blows my mind that I can pick up a gun (the G36) that I have basically no trigger time with, and out-shoot a firearm that I have many rounds through and lots of dry-fire time with (the XD9SC). I did have the XD with me, so after shooting the G36, I took out the XD to put 15 loose rounds through it that I had in my bag. After shooting the Glock, the trigger on the XD was disappointing to say the least. This is especially true for the reset in the trigger which felt like it was a mile long on the XD after shooting the Glock. Anyways, I put 100 rounds of Blazer Brass through the G36 without any issues (as expected) and it was definitely an experience. This showdown is going to take a while, and I want to do some good side-by-side comparisons at my next range visits. I will definitely keep everyone posted. :smt023

-Jeff-

My third magazine (6rds) through the G36 at 25 feet. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo

Well, the range trip was interesting to say the least. First impression - I like it! You can definitely tell you're shooting 45's out of this little cannon, but the recoil is by no means overwhelming...it's actually very controllable. It just blows my mind that I can pick up a gun (the G36) that I have basically no trigger time with, and out-shoot a firearm that I have many rounds through and lots of dry-fire time with (the XD9SC). I did have the XD with me, so after shooting the G36, I took out the XD to put 15 loose rounds through it that I had in my bag. After shooting the Glock, the trigger on the XD was disappointing to say the least. This is especially true for the reset in the trigger which felt like it was a mile long on the XD after shooting the Glock. Anyways, I put 100 rounds of Blazer Brass through the G36 without any issues (as expected) and it was definitely an experience. This showdown is going to take a while, and I want to do some good side-by-side comparisons at my next range visits. I will definitely keep everyone posted. :smt023

-Jeff-

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That's how I felt when I got my first 1911. All I could say was "wow...this thing shoots well".

Glad you like it. I love my Glocks, but I don't venture into the .40 and .45 variants. Just a G17 and G19 which I feel are the best of the lineup anyhow. :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo

My third magazine (6rds) through the G36 at 25 feet. :rolleyes:

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Looks like you have it under control. :smt023

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Originally Posted by Dredd

That's how I felt when I got my first 1911. All I could say was "wow...this thing shoots well".

Glad you like it. I love my Glocks, but I don't venture into the .40 and .45 variants. Just a G17 and G19 which I feel are the best of the lineup anyhow. :mrgreen:

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That's the funniest part of all of this. Generally the XD's feel better to me than the Glocks (17,19,23,etc). This G36, being that it's single-stack (and I have small hands) trumps both. It has a very "natural" feeling in my hands (if that makes sense).

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Originally Posted by TOF

Looks like you have it under control. :smt023

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It still blows my mind that I could pickup an "unfamiliar" weapon and group my shots better than the weapon that I have trained with and have a lot of trigger time with. This showdown is going to get interesting. :smt033

-Jeff-

Have you ever tried an M&P with the small grip insert?

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Originally Posted by TOF

Have you ever tried an M&P with the small grip insert?

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I believe so. At two separate gun shops (in Iowa), I was told that all M&Ps displayed had the small grip insert "installed." It's been a while since I've held one, but at the time the XDs definitely felt better. Then again, I didn't have all of the inserts in front of me to verify which inserts were "installed." Maybe I'll have to give it another try next time I'm at the shop. For now, I'm loving the feel of this G36. :smt023 Follow-up shots were extremely fast as well...

-Jeff-

I chose the XD9SC, over the XD45C, based on follow-up speed.

PS... I fully support your feelings on the Glock Reset... now that I've shot the new M&P Pro with it's micro-short reset (and a Glock 34). The new FACTORY M&P (much better than the first M&Ps I shot a few years ago by the way...) trigger is almost as good as my $200 custom-shop XD trigger. With 1000 through it, I'm sure it would be just as sweet.

With its very low bore axis, interchangable grips (for small hands), and super-short reset... I'd HATE to see MIKE shoot one... He may become a new M&P owner...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Jeff

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Originally Posted by JeffWard

I'd HATE to see MIKE shoot one... He may become a new M&P owner...

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I've shot one and handled a few, but never tried the Pro. I'm actually not crazy about the way the M&P sits in my hand, but that may be simply because I am habituated to the Glock. I'm also pretty well invested in the Glock, in terms of mags and holsters and such. I'm not currently enough of a gun enthusiast to make a change, especially in light of whatever forthcoming gun/magazine restrictions emanate from the Obama Administration.

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Originally Posted by Mike Barham

I've shot one and handled a few, but never tried the Pro. I'm actually not crazy about the way the M&P sits in my hand, but that may be simply because I am habituated to the Glock. I'm also pretty well invested in the Glock, in terms of mags and holsters and such. I'm not currently enough of a gun enthusiast to make a change, especially in light of whatever forthcoming gun/magazine restrictions emanate from the Obama Administration.

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Good enough reason to go GLOCK alone... There will be a long supply of Glock parts around even if all semiautos are grandfathered and outlawed... After all, a revolver is MUCH less deadly than an "assult style" 17-round automatic... :anim_lol:

This is the direction we may be headed people...

makes me want a 36 even more!

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Originally Posted by JeffWard

I chose the XD9SC, over the XD45C, based on follow-up speed.

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Yea, believe it or not I was thinking of you as I was contemplating this showdown because I read all about your decision. Although I don't have a timer or anything, my follow-up shots with the G36 certainly didn't feel any slower and were not scattered any more than rapid fire with my XDSC.

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Originally Posted by JeffWard

PS... I fully support your feelings on the Glock Reset... now that I've shot the new M&P Pro with it's micro-short reset (and a Glock 34). The new FACTORY M&P (much better than the first M&Ps I shot a few years ago by the way...) trigger is almost as good as my $200 custom-shop XD trigger. With 1000 through it, I'm sure it would be just as sweet.

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It was actually rather disappointing shooting the XD after the Glock. The Glock trigger is much better, IMO. I think this is part of the reason my follow-up shots don't seem any slower....

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Originally Posted by JeffWard

With its very low bore axis, interchangable grips (for small hands), and super-short reset... I'd HATE to see MIKE shoot one... He may become a new M&P owner...

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I'll have to get my hands on one of these again, and make sure it has the small backstrap in place. You never know, I just might end up with the whole trio. :anim_lol: Talk about the ultimate showdown! :smt033

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Originally Posted by Mike Barham

...whatever forthcoming gun/magazine restrictions emanate from the Obama Administration.

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Yes, this could suck. Although, my Cougar is my only firearm now that has a magazine capacity of over 10. :rolleyes: No worries with the 6+1 G36. :smt033

-Jeff-

I believe that many of the same holsters that fit the Glock 19/23 will also fit the Glock 36. You might want to check with our resident holster experts on this, but when I had a 36 I was given the above information, puchased a glock 19 holster for it, and life was good. I then sold my Glock 36 and bought a Glock 23 and life was better (still use the same holster for it though).

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Originally Posted by jeb21

I believe that many of the same holsters that fit the Glock 19/23 will also fit the Glock 36. You might want to check with our resident holster experts on this, but when I had a 36 I was given the above information, puchased a glock 19 holster for it, and life was good.

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I just ordered a holster from Galco today for my G36 (Side Snap Scabbard). When I spoke with Bill (Old Padawan) he said that this holds true for some leather holsters, but not holsters like the "Matrix" series which are thermoplastic.

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Originally Posted by jeb21

I then sold my Glock 36 and bought a Glock 23 and life was better (still use the same holster for it though).

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Just out of curiosity, what made you get rid of the G36? So far, I love this thing!

-Jeff-

I will never like the Glock 36 as much as the 1911-A1. But I do like it, and have kept mine. I think it makes an good CCW gun. I have absolutely no complaints about mine. Good shooting.

Jeff, the Glock 36 was a bit too small for my hands and the recoil was a bit too stiff for me to make relatively fast follow up shots. Other than those two concerns the weapon was great.

I put about 250 rounds through it with no problems at all. In fact the first time I shot it was at a local IDPA match. The sadistic match designers had us shooting strong hand only while dragging an 80 dummy backwards. Shooting weak hand only around a barricade, and shooting from the recline position. It was not until the final stage that we actually shot the weapon with two hands. Through it all the 36 was great. My accuracy was more than acceptable though my time was fairly slow, even for me.

I ultimatly traded the 36 away and purchased a 23 because the 23 fit me a bit better. The recoil was more manageable for me. The increased magazine capacity was nice as well.

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Originally Posted by Teuthis

I will never like the Glock 36 as much as the 1911-A1. But I do like it, and have kept mine. I think it makes an good CCW gun. I have absolutely no complaints about mine. Good shooting.

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I do love the feel of the 1911, but I personally would never carry one. So, as a CCW this is a great option for me. I like the feel with the single-stack, and magazine capacity doesn't worry me too much.

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Originally Posted by jeb21

Jeff, the Glock 36 was a bit too small for my hands and the recoil was a bit too stiff for me to make relatively fast follow up shots. Other than those two concerns the weapon was great.

I put about 250 rounds through it with no problems at all. In fact the first time I shot it was at a local IDPA match. The sadistic match designers had us shooting strong hand only while dragging an 80 dummy backwards. Shooting weak hand only around a barricade, and shooting from the recline position. It was not until the final stage that we actually shot the weapon with two hands. Through it all the 36 was great. My accuracy was more than acceptable though my time was fairly slow, even for me.

I ultimatly traded the 36 away and purchased a 23 because the 23 fit me a bit better. The recoil was more manageable for me. The increased magazine capacity was nice as well.

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Thanks for the info, jeb21. I have small hands for a guy, so the size of the G36 is great for me. I actually find that follow-up shots are surprisingly fast, and the recoil isn't very harsh. I guess everyone "feels" recoil differently, but I think it's very controllable. This just goes to show that everyone is different, because I personally dislike the 40S&W round, and enjoy shooting a 45 much more. I appreciate your input. :smt023

-Jeff-