They aren't allowed in WA :smt022 ...I remember reading something somewhere....something about "right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"....forget exactly where that was...must've been some magazine or somethin....couldn't have been too important...
OTOH, the rate of fire is 600 RPM, so even tho it doesn't have a burst option, with a little practice it's pretty easy to put out 2, 3, or 4 rounds at a time.
Still, it's very hard to earase the grin after you dump a mag :)
The last time I went shooting at my Dad's (in Ogden, UT) a guy was shooting one of these at the range section next to the public one:
It was mounted in a trailer he had specially built for it.
On the previous subject of hand grenades, they are classified as "Destructive Devices", a different classification than a machinegun, short barreled rifle, or AOW= any other weapon, which a lot of shortened/tax stamped shotguns come under.
A NFA dealer/ SOT taxpayer that is licensenzed to sell full auto firearms, has to actually get another license to deal in Destructive devices(and of course its an extra yearly fee he has to pay on top of the $500 a year for the special occupational tax he has to pay for the NFA dealer license, which of course you have to hold a type 01 FFL before you can add the NFA)
A citizen buying a transfereable machinegun/suppressor/SBR/AOW from the NFA dealer just has to do a one time $200 transfer tax on it and gets a tax stamp on his approved form 4.
I had a 01 FFL for 12 years, and 9 of it I was a NFA dealer. I still own suppressors and a SBR, but no full auto(my last one was a M4) I just cant afford the cost to buy one these days....that same M4 I had would cost me about $18,000.00 right now suppressor on the other hand are still affordable and practical. There is hardly anything more practical on the farm than a suppressed 10/22. you dont hurt your ears, or scare the livestock, or annoy your neibors.
remember, suppressors were only included in the gun control act of 1934 because of poaching....it was the deppession after all and folks were often hungry. It wasnt because they are any more sinister or evil than the "silencer" on your car, lawn mower, motor bike. In europe, gun control freaks that they are...suppressors are still everyday items and not looked upon as anything strange at all. I have to blame movies more than anything else here for teaching(brain washing) people that suppressors are evil and only used by very bad men. All the ganster movies done the same for the full auto.
I'd like to one day get a permit that allows me to have a silencer for my P99. I know they sell threaded barrels for it and I have seen a few silencers sold online as well as one at a gun show. P99 would look pretty cool with a silencer too :)
Its not a permit...its a Tax Stamp
Here is what a ATF Form 1 with affixed tax stamp looks like...this Form 1 is permission to make a short barreled rifle, and the same form would be used if making a suppressor as well. A form 4 looks very simular and would be the one used if buying a transferable factory made suppressor, SBR, and full auto.
Just got my Form 4 back last Friday.
I am completely giddy about the new suppressor. Here's a little video I made for some friends of mine to show the difference in sound. Enjoy.
I had heard that getting a Class III that you open yourself up to allowing a search of your property at any time..what's the story on that?
You are subject to review of your paperwork and the firearm in question ONLY. They can't come in and just search your house, you have to produce the weapon when asked but you don't have to submit your home to search.
That's how I understand it.
That would make a lot more sense. but we are talking about the government. Even if you are right and you may well be. I'm sure that if they thought they could get away with it they would toss the house.
I would imagine that it would make it a lot easier to get a full search warrant too being they tell a judge "Hey, This guy has a class III and a registered full auto bla-bla..With a suppressor!" Judge Hillary says "Go get em.. Janet Reno Style!!":buttkick:
rfawcs, Have u by any chance taken that HK51 to a machine gun shoot that was in Brownsville, PA but was shut down a few years ago? I remember a short barrel HK51 being there that I thought was pretty cool.
No, sorry, wasn't me. I haven't had any of my stuff out of state yet.
I do not own any class III weapons and don't plan on buying any. First, as someone stated, they are useless for HD unless you plan on using in a SHTF scenario. Second, the ammo is too expensvie for the weapon to be used as a plinking or target practice gun. And third, unless I come into an unexpected windfall, I can't afford one anyway. As for suppressors or other NFA products, I have no rifles or pistols that are currently configured for suppressors and like the guns themselves, too expensive for my taste as I have no use for them.
I would love to have one. I recently had the oppurtunity to hit the range with a military collector and he let me shoot his WWII Thompson. I'm smiling just thinking about it. I think it's possible to get around the background check by setting up a trust as owner. A trust is a corporate entity and cannot have a criminal background, that is, if I read the legaleze right. Now all I need is to hit the lottery or be a good boy and hope Santa brings me one:smt114